Psycho-Pass

[Buffalobiian]

It's clear the psycho-pass rating does have a solid, undebatable basis, otherwise the system wouldn't have such a huge effect in the society. So, it should be impossible to "save" these people by bringing their rating down. After all, at least some of them were brought in before they had a chance to really do any crimes. However, Akane's role might be to make them feel themselves humans once again, not dogs, despite the high rating. A small thing in the bigger picture but it could be a big thing for them personally.

If it's a small thing in the bigger pictures, then is it something Sybil would even bother to assign value to?

The Psycho-pass rating system seems to have real-world corelations, but that doesn't mean you can't bring it down. The rape victim and the factory worker showed that.

Inspectors are just as capable as Enforcers are at locating people and using a Dominator. The difference is Akane doesn't want to view herself as a handler who leads a pack of dogs. She wants to believe they're co-workers. Using someone with a high psycho-pass to track people down just shortens the pursuit, but it isn't a panacea for finding criminals. That much has been made obvious in this episode. Everyone but Akane was useless in even getting them started, no one else used chat circles.

On the other hand, the Investigators were kinda stumped in the factory case due to their sole reliance on Dominators. I wouldn't say investigators are useless, but they're not good at situations where you have the lure the target out (you have to think like criminals, and if you have a high enough aptitude your Psycho-pass follows suit).

In a sense, the naming of these two parties should be switched. The latent criminals are the ones who are doing any real "investigating", while the "government guys" are the ones to enforce the law by pulling the trigger on suspects and fellow co-workers.

[Ryllharu]

No, it is perfectly fine the way it is. The Enforcers don't investigate anything. Other than Kougami trying to be one, the others just do. Kagari follows the Dominator fairly blindly so far. Masaoka doesn't investigate at all. He looks around and through experience and instinct points out the target. He's very much the most dog like. Kunizuka just follows Ginoza around, but she doesn't get screentime.

Investigators take the analytical approach to the area of interest (though often led by a stray scan). Enforcers flush the target out. Both trust the Dominators to tell them who they can and can't stun, can and can't kill. Investigators use paperwork and reports, they think (or in Akane's case, try to), Enforcers just feel.

[Kraco]

If it's a small thing in the bigger pictures, then is it something Sybil would even bother to assign value to?

Well, it's the whole reason for Sybil's existence, so surely it will bother. I merely meant that for the society as a whole, it's a tiny thing if some enforcerer is happy or not. They are on a short leash in any case and have to rely on Sybil to shoot anybody, so it's not likely they will pose much danger even if they become deranged.

The Psycho-pass rating system seems to have real-world corelations, but that doesn't mean you can't bring it down. The rape victim and the factory worker showed that.

Those are entirely different cases. The rape victim and the factory worker were normal persons put through hell, twisting their personality. If they are saved from that hell, they can be possibly returned to the normal person state (although the factory worker is a murderer already, so he's beyond full grace already). The enforcerers are born to be potential criminals due to genetic factors or something else fundamental, I reckon. We don't know it for sure, but it's possible none of them have a criminal record, though, so in theory they should be fully respectable citizens, aside from their cloudy psycho-pass restricting their life.

[Archangel]

Episode 05:

Really good episode, it was great to see them doing some real detective work for a change. The fact that Inspectors are prone to becoming Enforcers themselves brings some interesting possibilities for the future of the plot, i'm looking forward to it.

One thing that still annoys me though is the Dominator. Last time it was in this mode it shot the exact same body part and it blew the whole individual, this time it just took off the arm. If there aren't any inherent rules for its functionality then it's just another deus ex machina waiting to happen.

[Ryllharu]

But the Dominator sure has a sexy voice.

It reminds me of Juiz from Eden of the East, even though I know it is Hidaka Noriko, most notably of Gunbuster (Noriko), Inuyasha (Kikyou), and Ranma (Akane).

I'm willing to bet it is the Sibyl system directly, not just a priority channel with a UI on top.

[Buffalobiian]

HS - Episode 05



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Saw the Inspector->Enforcer idea coming, but didn't suspect Kogami as being such a candidate until Ginoza talked about a friend having fallen.

I liked the convincing explanation that Kougami plays the role of both Investigator and Enforcer that addresses some of the difference in opinion that myself and Ryll had before. I expected all Enforcers to act like Kougami did and previously reasoned their inactivity simply due to their less-than-main-character status.

Inspectors are just as capable as Enforcers are at locating people and using a Dominator. The difference is Akane doesn't want to view herself as a handler who leads a pack of dogs. She wants to believe they're co-workers. Using someone with a high psycho-pass to track people down just shortens the pursuit, but it isn't a panacea for finding criminals. That much has been made obvious in this episode. Everyone but Akane was useless in even getting them started, no one else used chat circles.

That just shows that Akane was able to help out in this investigation because she knew the terrain. I agree with her in the last segment of the show - it really came down to Enforcers Kougami to nail down the guy.

It really begs the question of how other teams with clear-cut Enforcer/Inspector combos work. Enforcers aren't incapable of thinking (though it's not their job description), while Investigators (by their very definition) are incapable of mimicking the thoughts of their prey.
Gino is "investigative" in that he's asking questions, but the problem is he asks all the wrong ones. The affinity of Enforcers (with proper training/ability) would be much more efficient. I suppose my previous idea of Enforcers/Investigators changing names is now amended to something like:

Enforcers should be Detectives (Enforcer/Inspector combos, assuming you have the talent pool), while Inspectors should be more like Judges. Not judges of criminal probability (that's Sybil's job), but judging the actions of Detectives based on their own beliefs/values. That's not any different from our real-world scenario of police and their conduct review peers.

Both trust the Dominators to tell them who they can and can't stun, can and can't kill.

I wouldn't use "trust", since they don't have a choice. The Dominator is the prescribed diagnostic tool (criminal +ve/-ve) that they have to use in order to bring down the law (with a rather absurdly high false positive rate, might I add). Inspectors are reliant on them in identifying criminals, while Enforcers could shoot the true criminals based on their own talent/instincts with relative accuracy. The Dominators simply give them the license to do so.

[Inazuma]

Has it ever been suggested that a Dominator could be forced to switch over to one mode rather the mode the diagnostic finds appropriated ?

[Kraco]

I found it ridiculous the Dominator forced the execution of this guy. That removed all the chances of the criminal actually revealing anything under normal interrogations. It's probably nothing but on another sign how absolutely reliant the society has become on the Sibyl system and computer jazz. They feel like they don't really need to do any old-fashioned police work (Gino is a perfect example of this, always relying on the most obvious solutions and then left cursing when it didn't work like the textbook said).

Akane is objectively speaking blaming herself too much. She's totally fresh out of school and I got the feeling she might have been the honours student type in good and bad: Believing everything she read (and reading a lot). I think that was partially proven by how quickly she was going to check the book Masaoka mentioned; as if that was the important point, not what he was saying. So, now in practical work she's going to be lost for a while, because I assume she's not the genius type who would have completely internalized everything she read and being able to combine it all on the spot, adapting it all to formulate new theories. To mention Gino again, I think he's ended up to the same place out of his own free will: To spare himself and his psycho-pass, he stopped thinking and feeling and only relies on basic concepts out of the books.

[Xelbair]

They(dominators) use simple logic akin to this probably

get crime coefficient
if crime coefficient above 100
do change(non-lethal)
else if crime coefficient above 175
do change(lethal)
else if special is true
do change(annihilator) // anti-machine mode from 2 eps back

dominators just transmit data to Sibyl system, which (probably) can find target in database, get reading of target's psycho-pass. Sybil sends back just the crime coefficient to dominators.

dominators also probably send visual data in real-time feed, so Sybil can detect non organic threats too(annihilation mode for machines)

[Buffalobiian]

HS - Episode 06

[Kraco]

More was told of the criminal mastermid, for good or for ill. Of course it's still too late to judge it entirely, but I wouldn't like all the major crimes in this show to be designed by one man. It would make this nothing but Kougami's personal story and far less social commentary utilising the rather intriguing world setting. Or in other words, it would make this story much smaller, much more dependent on the limited characters. Perhaps it would prevent tearing down the Sybil system, which I hope won't happen like has been said in this thread before, but the price would be kind of steep. I suppose every story needs a final boss, but he doesn't need to be behind every single thing like some Aizen.

[Ryllharu]

I think it is too soon to say he's behind everything, more like he's the antithesis of the Sybil system and the therapy sessions. They ensure that people get into therapy before they get too far gone (or take care of them in some other way). This guy seeks out people (probably the same way Masaoka "smells" them, raw instinct), and gives them the means to fulfill their most twisted homicidal desires. Nothing more, nothing less.

On the other side, the psychotherapists use Sybil and the Psycho-Pass to find these same people, who either come willingly of their own accord, or are brought back by Public Safety.

He had his assistants (hired hackers, chemists and whatever the hell this girl needs), and the Sybil system has psychotherapists.

[Buffalobiian]

Do people with intentions (but no method) suffer from illegal psychopass ratings? What about the guys who supply the method of killing?

You'd think they would, just like how Enforcers have a high psychopass without necessarily doing anything. In that case, the Sybil system should be working since Inspectors tend to simply scan suspects anyway.

On the other hand, if those parameters don't give people a high psychopass, exactly what does?

[Kraco]

Realistically speaking there should be real cold-blooded psychopaths who would have "perfect" psycho-pass even though they could already be murderers. If killing a person means nothing more to them than repairing a toaster to someone normal, then there's no way their psycho-pass would move to any direction from their default value. And if that default value happens to be close enough numerically, however they are measured, to a normal person's, then that psycho would be forever cool in front of scanners.

However, I assume for a normal person it doesn't matter if he has the method or even if he has or hasn't actually done it, but if he's mentally already deranged enough to be ready to pull it off at a moment's notice, his psycho-pass would already indicate it. If he's simply a normal person pissed off at a neighbour letting their dog bark all night and during the darkest hours of the night swears he will kill that neighbour if there's one more sleepless night, then I'd guess his psycho-pass would hardly become bad enough. Because normal person wouldn't kill their neighbour, after all, over something like that, despite certainly having the means (since a simple knife would do just fine).

[Xelbair]

What i get is that cold-blooded criminals can pass hue-assessment by scanners in public place without any problems, but direct thorough check reveals them.

[Ryllharu]

But that hasn't usually been the case. They get pinged by a public scanner at a street corner, and are notified that they are at the point where they will require immediate counseling. It's usually at that point that they disappear underground and don't get registered by a scanner for several days. The briefings at the Public Safety HQ make a point of noting when and where they last time one of their targets got scanned.

They're not passing by the scanners, they're actively avoiding them, an act that evidently sends red-flags to Public Safety even faster. These things aren't anywhere near as ubiquitous like the 4-Red-Dots cameras in Accel World, or even British CCTV cameras. These are more like cameras in American cities.

Most are a few days, but the avatar stealer hadn't been scanned in weeks or months or something crazy.

[Inazuma]

No Dominator action in Psycho Pass is like - No mecha in Gundam. It makes me sad.

[Kraco]

Episode 7 - HS





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Even Gino should now be able to catch this plasticizer girl. If he can't, he should submit his resignation letter. Although I doubt they will get any further than her, but she's more than obvious: Girls that go to talk to her disappear, and she uses her phone as a key to the basement, which should be a highly trackable action. Really, there's no way they wouldn't catch her. Even without dominators.

[shinta|hikari]

It is precisely because of such advanced tools that their deductive capabilities have rotted. Any decent detective would have caught psycho girl by now.

[Archangel]

You're all assuming getting into the school will be a simple task, i don't think all those rich parents will be too keen on letting latent criminals have any sot of contact with their kids.

They may find a way in through the parents of the dead children though.