Naruto Chapter 605

[poopdeville]

That sure is one brutal way to use the wood element. I wonder if the First Hokage ever used it that way...

Also, enough with the "Madara was controlling Rin already". The last thing I want to find out is that Obito went through all that and did all that he did just because he was 'tricked'. Madara doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who would go through all that effort to set this up just to manipulate Obito. He seems genuinely disinterested in the on goings of this modern generation of ninja because he believes they do not compare to his own.

I think the First tried that against the Third.

But I agree about Madara. Even if he had a plan at that point, it wouldn't rely on Sharingan manipulation. Why bother? The ninja world was full of people getting murdered and the desire for revenge. He would just have to wait for the right person (like, how Obito waited for Nagato).

Random question time: is spiral Zetsu the same as "black" Zetsu? How did Obito "give" Nagato the Rinnegan? It didn't look like he did a quick surgery on him while the mist or whatever attacked him.

[joker-kun]

Rather than being a spy, it's possible they just wanted to kidnap Rin (bloodline or something,) and Kakashi killed her out of mercy because he knew they couldn't win. Kishi would probably avoid coming right out and saying it cause she's like 12, but if kidnapping/killing kids isn't frowned upon, then a bunch of enemy male ninjas would probably result in rape and torture regardless of age. This chapter was obviously meant to be heavy, considering Obito who's the same age is standing in a pool of blood after slaughtering multiple squads.

Spy definitely makes sense though. She could have even been a spy without knowing it (as in she was planted in Konoha,) and they were coming to retreive her body for information (we've seen how they do that.) That could mix in with my point above.

[Kagemane_no_Jutsu]

Yeah I could see something like that..... that she asked Kakashi to kill her so they couldn't get her secret, whatever that may be idk could be bloodline, and he obliged her. I like this better than the idea she's a splinter cell.

[ForteCross]

because he didnt knew he could...
he never heard about the different levels of the eyes and never tried to master them

[Tofu #2]

because he didnt knew he could...
he never heard about the different levels of the eyes and never tried to master them

He sure seemed to have a basic understanding of a more powerful sharingan when he ran into Itachi + Sasuke mentions how he "feels the power" after he got his MS so even on activating he should have felt something

[MFauli]

It´s cute when Kishimoto thinks he can do BERSERK.

[darkshadow]

The whole nagato thing is iffy, he basically had to be an uchiha as well.

[Tofu #2]

The whole nagato thing is iffy, he basically had to be an uchiha as well.

Why's that? They said Nagato was a uzumaki, which is descended from the Sage who originally had the rinnegan.
Kakashi and that Mist dude have shown you don't need the blood to use a bloodline eye.

AND Madara awoken the rinnegan after his battle with the first hokage, and he already said he gave his eyes to someone else... presumably Nagato

[darkshadow]

Because if tobi gave nagato the rinnegan, then it had to be an evolved sharingan instead of something he sprouted on his own, which in turn means nagato wouldn't be able to use it 24/7 because it would wear him out like kakashi.

[Tofu #2]

Well it wears out Kakashi faster because yes it's not his, but also kakashi himself said he has low chakra.
We don't really know anything about the rinnegan, if it even uses chakra to keep active, but if it did, Nagato seems to have a shit load of chakra anyways

[DB_Hunter]

Ah Ok.

Kakashi developing the MS at such an early age does kind of throw his development off a bit. Having such an ability yet going through such dangerous situations as the fight with Zabuza, Orochimaru and of course Itachi without zapping them away in to another dimension whilst risking life and limb is a bit hard to explain away. The only reason I can think of is that he felt his MS was a result of killing Rin and as that was something he hated he didn't want to benefit from having committed such an awful action. However when it came to fighting Itachi he realised the only the way to defeat him and Akatsuki was to use MS which why he began to train using Kamui.

[Prof. Chaos]

Ah Ok.

Kakashi developing the MS at such an early age does kind of throw his development off a bit. Having such an ability yet going through such dangerous situations as the fight with Zabuza, Orochimaru and of course Itachi without zapping them away in to another dimension whilst risking life and limb is a bit hard to explain away. The only reason I can think of is that he felt his MS was a result of killing Rin and as that was something he hated he didn't want to benefit from having committed such an awful action. However when it came to fighting Itachi he realised the only the way to defeat him and Akatsuki was to use MS which why he began to train using Kamui.

I'm thinking its more or less he didnt have control over it and would pass out if he even attempted to use it. After the skip while him and Naruto were chasing Diedra, Kakashi uses it then, mentioning that he's been working on something new. Throughout the time, it seems every time he is able to use it a little bit more and more.

My 2 cents would be similar to SSJ stuff where every time they come close to death, they get stronger. So every time he uses it and is able to rest, he can use it more and more.

[oorainbow247oo]

I think it was Zestu screaming not Obito and this chapter rocked. Something happened between Rin and the Village of the Mist.

Madara turned her maybe on the basis that he could resurrect obito??