JoJo's Bizarre Adventure

[Buffalobiian]

It's Kira seems to think it's his.

Bites The Dust kills whoever the boy feeds information to, then rewinds time by 1hr - erasing any deaths or events that happened during that time. The teapot set is intact, for example.

The weird thing is that if you're rewinding time, you really don't need to kill. Blowing people up fits with his theme, but rewinding really doesn't.

I see where you're coming from, and perhaps the boy rewinded time by 1hr just to save himself. The aspects against this idea though is that the boy hasn't been hit by the arrow yet. It's also somewhat reasonable for Kira to not know about the rewinds because the power is automated, just as he doesn't actually know what his tracking bomb is up to. He just assumes it does its work.

[MFauli]

Logically, time rewind cannot be the boy´s power. Kira killed him. THEN, after the boy was already dead, Kira did something to rewind time.

It´s just weird that Kira would get such a completely unrelated power.

[DarthEnderX]

So the time travel is the boy´s power or Kira´s power?

Why would it be the boy's power? The boy wasn't the one pierced by the arrow.

It´s just weird that Kira would get such a completely unrelated power.

A. They ARE related. It's still a bomb. It's just a bomb that resets the day after it goes off.

B. Why would they even need to be related? DIO's two powers didn't have anything to do with each other.

[Buffalobiian]

Dio stopping time isn't so bad. It's more or less his primary power. Speed/accuracy just came with the picture.

Rewind-bomb feels out of place because there's no reason to kill someone if you're going to rewind time, and vice versa. "I'll do something, then rewind it so that I didn't do something."

Just... why? It's redundant, that's what it is.

It's almost like the author's creative process went like: "Hmm, I'd love for his power to rewind time. His theme is bombs, explosions and killing people though. Oh, I know, I'll have his bomb blow people up and rewind time. That sorts itself out."

[DarthEnderX]

Dio stopping time isn't so bad. It's more or less his primary power. Speed/accuracy just came with the picture.

I'm not talking about the speed/accuracy. I'm talking about how he also has Hermit Purple's oracular powers.

Rewind-bomb feels out of place because there's no reason to kill someone if you're going to rewind time, and vice versa.

Well, there's the psychological effect.

"See, that guy died in a horrible explosion because you let him find out about me. Better make sure that doesn't happen again."

Still, it feels like this power could really backfire on Kira. Giving the boy the chance to redo the days events when even Kira himself doesn't know what happened seems like it could be used against him in ways he doesn't realize.

[Buffalobiian]

I'm not talking about the speed/accuracy. I'm talking about how he also has Hermit Purple's oracular powers

Really? I don't even remember this.

[MFauli]

I don´t see how it could, LOGICALLY SPEAKING, backfire. Kira´s power basically works as a prison for the boy. He has to live on as if everything was normal. The moment he tells somebody or so much as hints about Kira, that person is blown to death and time is rewinded, reminding the boy once again that he better keep his mouth shut.

Edit: One way to counter this, I imagine, is Jojo´s healing ability. The moment the bomb gets off, he needs to start healing, so that the effects of the explosion are negated the moment they happen. That way he could surive even after being told about Kira.

[DarthEnderX]

Really? I don't even remember this.

It's definitely a thing. Very early in the arc they show DIO also creating a vision with a photograph.

I believe the theory is that him having Jonathan's body is the reason he seems to have both Joseph and Jotaro's stand abilities.

Makes me wonder if he had survived if he wouldn't also have gained Josuke's ability eventually.

The moment he tells somebody or so much as hints about Kira, that person is blown to death and time is rewinded, reminding the boy once again that he better keep his mouth shut.

He's not allowed to tell anyone, or allow anyone to get the information from him. But if he has forknowledge of the days events, he could set events into motion that lead to them stumbling onto Kira themselves without him having to interact with them directly at all.

[Buffalobiian]

It's definitely a thing. Very early in the arc they show DIO also creating a vision with a photograph.

I believe the theory is that him having Jonathan's body is the reason he seems to have both Joseph and Jotaro's stand abilities.

Makes me wonder if he had survived if he wouldn't also have gained Josuke's ability eventually.

Ah. Well that's not so bad. I can get behind Dio having traits of Joestar's powers.

[DarthEnderX]

36

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Holy fucking shit! Okay, yeah, Bites The Dust is fucking brutal. Time resets, BUT THEY STILL DIE?! Wtf!

Also...that Opening...goddamn.

[Buffalobiian]

Last week: LMAO wtf is this stupid ability?
This week: WTF is this ability?

Respect for Hayato. That guys a champ.

[DarthEnderX]

I just realized, back when the origin of Josuke's hairstyle was being explained, is was super obvious that the guy with the pompador was actually his older self.

I'm not exactly sure how it's going to happen, but now that the big bad has been revealed to have time rewind powers, I'm sure Josuke is going to end up in the past.

Last week: LMAO wtf is this stupid ability?
This week: WTF is this ability?

Now at least it makes sense why it blows them up.

Yeah, blowing them up might have seemed pointless if it was also going to reset time. But now that we know it blows them up on subsequent passes even if he doesn't go anywhere near him, it makes sense.


I also thought, "Wait, but he killed the kid the first time through a previous time loop. If the things that happen to people still happen to them, why is the kid alive?" but then they explained that he can cancel the power before they die again.

Respect for Hayato. That guys a champ.

Seriously. The arc has basically become the Big Bad vs. an 11-year-old.

The funny thing is, if he fucks this up, he just has to run up to some random person and tell them about his Dad and they'll explode and he'll get another shot at it.

[MFauli]

Well, I´d try to poison his coffeee, seems like the easiest way (ofc this woudnt work in the series, some random event would keep Kira from drinking it, lol). Omg, speaking of stupidity: When EVERYBODY surrounded Hayato and despite each of them surely having memorized the kid they´re looking for, nobody noticed that it was the kid inmidst of them. FACEPALM.

I really like Kira. The second best villain of the season (number 1 is Satou from Ajin). This guy simply gets things done. He made it so that Hayato would always keep luring his opponents in, then involuntarily kill them. That would have been preventable BEFORE Rohan´s death, but now Hayato is pressured into doing something before Rohan´s death, because he doesn´t want him die. And now that the whole group has been killed once, he cant afford to run away, as that would permanently remove all potential enemies of Kira.

Since Hayato was talking about two options of defeating Kira, and killing failed (although couldn´t he just retry the very same method, this time NOT spilling hot coffee over Kira´s arm?), there´s still the option of making Kira stop his new power. This begs the obvious question: Why would Kira undo his power? My guess: Hayato tells his mom. This will, of course, happen after a dramatic lead up, since hayato dearly loves his mom. But Kira doesnt want to pull attention onto his new life, so he cannot afford having his wife die. So he´ll undo the whole thing, giving Hayato a new chance.

Btw. the whole fate-thing is stupid. Why is it that only acts of destruction are bound by fate? If a broken cup happens no matter what, why won´t ALL things happen, no matter what? I´m not seriously complaining since this isnt the kind of show that would pay attention to logic, but it came to my mind during this latest episode. It´s really stupid, lol.

[DarthEnderX]

the whole fate-thing is stupid.

Fate will not be denied, no matter how long it takes.

[Buffalobiian]

Episode 37

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Oookay, so firstly:

1) Hayato is ballsy as fuck. Champion

2) Hayato should be dead. Really. He (who got blown up to dust) can't be any less dead than the guy who bled out for 4 minutes.

3) Hayato shouldn't be able to see air bullets that others can't. That's weird

4) Jotaro should really check out those explosions next door.

5) Hayato should just go grab him. He's allowed to tell people shit now.

[DarthEnderX]

Now we see the slight balancing factor of Bites The Dust. It's still the same Stand as Killer Queen. He can't use it to fight with and use Bites The Dust at the same time.

1) Hayato is ballsy as fuck. Champion

2) Hayato should be dead. Really. He (who got blown up to dust) can't be any less dead than the guy who bled out for 4 minutes.

3) Hayato shouldn't be able to see air bullets that others can't. That's weird

4) Jotaro should really check out those explosions next door.

5) Hayato should just go grab him. He's allowed to tell people shit now.

Every one of those, absolutely.

If he'd started healing Hayato as he was just starting to explode, I could have believed it, but Hayato was already in chunks when he started. He was already dead. If he could save Hayato, then he should have been able to save the salon girl when she was exploding right front of him.

I also don't understand why Hayato can see the air bullets and Josuke can't.

The other characters being all "I thought I heard Josuke scream...but naaaah." is infuriating. It's more of that Stardust Crusaders level stupidity where characters just ignore weird shit even though weird shit is ALWAYS an enemy stand.

[MFauli]

Nah, it´s the usual level of stupidity, lol. "Hm, that sounded like Josuke. Oh whatever, it´s not like we´re fighting a deadly opponent. Ma ii ..."

Killer Queen (please stop using the shitty sub-names, fuck licensing issues, censorship sucks) is actually not that strong. Kira is lucky that Hayato is the only one who found out about him. Imagine the mother having TWO sons. Killer Queen can only be used on one of them, as we saw, so the only way to stop the second son from spilling the beans would be to kill him ... which would pull attention to his situation again.

Killer Queen´s new ability is like THE perfectly suited ability to help Kira in this specific situation. It´s almost useless in any other situation. Ofc, Killer Queen is still a powerful stand as is, but that new ability isn´t all that mighty outside of specific scenarios.

Btw I find it somewhat annoying that Josuke cant heal himself. That´s a bullshit limitation that lacks any logic. Whatever energy Josuke is using for the healing, it shouldn´t matter if it´s used on him or anyone. And it screws up my fanfic, where Josuke and the entire group are caught up in Killer Queen´s explosion, and we get to watch in slow motion how just as a layer of their bodies is destroyed, Josuke follows it up instantly by healing it. So it´d be like a deadly rip going through their bodies, but never materializing in death thanks to Josuke´s ability. Oh well ;>

[DarthEnderX]

(please stop using the shitty sub-names, fuck licensing issues, censorship sucks)

I'm not a manga reader, so I have no idea what the real names are. And I ain't fucking looking them up.

Killer Queen´s new ability is like THE perfectly suited ability to help Kira in this specific situation. It´s almost useless in any other situation. Ofc, Killer Queen is still a powerful stand as is, but that new ability isn´t all that mighty outside of specific scenarios.

Completely agree.

I really want to know more about how the arrow works. It seems to have a mind of it's own, it stabbed him when he needed it most, and gave him an exact power to deal with the very specific problem he had at the time.

That´s a bullshit limitation that lacks any logic.

Stands never have any logic. They all follow arbitrary rules and limitations.

[Buffalobiian]

I'm not a manga reader, so I have no idea what the real names are. And I ain't fucking looking them up.

The voices say Killer Queen. The subs read Deadly Queen to avoid licensing issues with the song Killer Queen.

(Due to copyright issues I will not be linking you to the song. You may search for it yourself with your favourite search engine)

[DarthEnderX]

The voices say Killer Queen. The subs read Deadly Queen to avoid licensing issues with the song Killer Queen.

Wait...so who was he complaining at? Everyone in this thread was using Killer Queen.