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[Buffalobiian]

What's weird about the Mage of Exodus theory is how they came about to it.

-Aika dies
-Magicsearch reveals the killer is from the Genesis Clan
-Genesis-Truth says the murderer's not there
-Oh, must be Exodus.

How did they conclude that the killer was from the Genesis Clan in the first place? That's one of the things I was annoyed about before when I mentioned "mechanics go unexplained".

Depending on the mechanism, you'd have to weigh up between whether the spell was initially wrong, or whether the Tree's guilt interpretation was wrong.

I also thought Aika was an Exodus mage for the reasons Ark mentioned.

As for the new guy, I'm sort of 50/50 on him actually having Mage-of-Exodus powers at the moment. Exodus also doesn't seemingly have to sacrifice anything to use his power.

[fireheart]

What's weird about the Mage of Exodus theory is how they came about to it.

-Aika dies
-Magicsearch reveals the killer is from the Genesis Clan
-Genesis-Truth says the murderer's not there
-Oh, must be Exodus.

How did they conclude that the killer was from the Genesis Clan in the first place? That's one of the things I was annoyed about before when I mentioned "mechanics go unexplained".

Depending on the mechanism, you'd have to weigh up between whether the spell was initially wrong, or whether the Tree's guilt interpretation was wrong.

I'm not sure what's so weird about it, it seemed pretty logical to me. And they explained the concept behind all of it so not sure what mechanics where unexplained.

[Buffalobiian]

I'm not sure what's so weird about it, it seemed pretty logical to me. And they explained the concept behind all of it so not sure what mechanics where unexplained.

The mechanic that wasn't explained was "How does the magic identify the killer?"

The flow of events is as follows:

-Magic identifies killer is of Genesis Clan
-Clan investigation has nay
-Must be Exodus!!

To give an analogy, the situation's like:

-Investigation says killer is a painter
-Search into the Brotherhood of painters identifies no killers.
-Therefore, it must be a photographer!!

What was the reasoning/mechanism behind the identification/narrowing down of the initial suspect? Why is that reasoning/identification suddenly invalidated now by Lead 2?

[fireheart]

The mechanic that wasn't explained was "How does the magic identify the killer?"

The flow of events is as follows:

-Magic identifies killer is of Genesis Clan
-Clan investigation has nay
-Must be Exodus!!

To give an analogy, the situation's like:

-Investigation says killer is a painter
-Search into the Brotherhood of painters identifies no killers.
-Therefore, it must be a photographer!!

What was the reasoning/mechanism behind the identification/narrowing down of the initial suspect? Why is that reasoning/identification suddenly invalidated now by Lead 2?

Mm if I've understood it correctly, killing another person goes against the worlds logic and is taboo and if someone does this the Tree of Genesis "blacklists" the person in question. The clan upholds the logic of the world so they can find these people but if a person in the clan does kill someone they can undergo a ritual to be forgiven and thus when someone searches for the killer no one will be found as the Tree of Genesis has forgiven the culprit. True they could have wondered if something went wrong with the magic but we're talking about the self proclaimed most powerful magician in the world so they wouldn't just doubt the results. Since they didn't find someone who's conducted the ritual they just created a theory around Exodus since a Mage of Exodus wouldn't get caught in it's web.

[Buffalobiian]

Mm if I've understood it correctly, killing another person goes against the worlds logic and is taboo and if someone does this the Tree of Genesis "blacklists" the person in question. The clan upholds the logic of the world so they can find these people but if a person in the clan does kill someone they can undergo a ritual to be forgiven and thus when someone searches for the killer no one will be found as the Tree of Genesis has forgiven the culprit. True they could have wondered if something went wrong with the magic but we're talking about the self proclaimed most powerful magician in the world so they wouldn't just doubt the results. Since they didn't find someone who's conducted the ritual they just created a theory around Exodus since a Mage of Exodus wouldn't get caught in it's web.

But why conclude that the mage was of the Genesis clan, only to find that they're not OF the clan?

By saying that the Exodus mage is responsible is telling us to completely disregard the fact that their tracking magic said the culprit was of the Genesis clan.

[Archangel]

But why conclude that the mage was of the Genesis clan, only to find that they're not OF the clan?

By saying that the Exodus mage is responsible is telling us to completely disregard the fact that their tracking magic said the culprit was of the Genesis clan.

The magic never said the killer was of the Genesis clan, that was simply an incorrect assumption by hakase based on the results of their tracking.

What happened was that the tracking didn't present any results, meaning that the tree of Genesis had "forgiven" the culprit. Hakase then extrapolated that only a mage of her clan could be guilty given these results.

Only after they performed a head count of all mages during the time of the murder ( not sure on this one tbh, but they did rule them all out somehow ) she then theorized that the culprit was someone else, someone detached from the tree of Genesis completely.

[Ryllharu]

As for the new guy, I'm sort of 50/50 on him actually having Mage-of-Exodus powers at the moment. Exodus also doesn't seemingly have to sacrifice anything to use his power.

That's actually the point.

The tree of genesis maintains the logic of the world, the tree of exodus defies the logic of the world.

No sacrifices necessary for the latter.

Hakase explained it earlier on.