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    Yeah, that does seem like a pretty solid theory. If we are the believe the hypothesis of the original purpose and origin of the trees. However, why would the key want to terminate itself rather than serve its purpose? That's the weakness of the theory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco View Post
    Yeah, that does seem like a pretty solid theory. If we are the believe the hypothesis of the original purpose and origin of the trees. However, why would the key want to terminate itself rather than serve its purpose? That's the weakness of the theory.
    Because she loves Yoshino.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian View Post
    Because she loves Yoshino.
    That doesn't answer anything... Why would the key love anybody if its purpose is to launch the elimination of mankind? The only explanation I can see is that the original theory is slightly incorrect: The purpose is not to destroy civilization automatically once it has reached a certain point of development, but to destroy it at that point if it's not likable enough. That is, if it was a nazi communist fundamentalist civilization that couldn't have offered the key anybody to fall in love with. So, the aliens would want to have a friendly friend around but not a threat.

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    Because love transcends all else.

    Aika would die in order to make the ending a happy one instead of a sad one.

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    Episode 20 - HS





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    Hmm... Well, I doubt I'm the only person who felt a little bit of disappointment because the most obvious case turned out to be true. But then again, that's a purely subjective assessment and the obvious twists can't be avoided all the time. On the bright side, she's surely worthy and it fits and explains Aika's personality perfectly. Now it remains to be seen if Hakaze actually manages to talk Aika into killing herself...

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    Aika kills herself and we get to experiment everything we've seen so far.

    I was thinking that like Hakaze, Aika has got her bones in the present... Except in Japan bodies are burnt, and ashes probably won"t be enough.

    Somehow, I feel exodus mages clearly overpower Genesis mages.
    The noob was already quite powerful for a noob and didn't need offerings.
    Aika, with a simple skewer gets a debilitatingly humongous sword....
    Also, she's quite a cunning little girl, to hide so much power for so long, such that never in the world did Mahiro and Yoshino think she could be the ME. And no one else ever thought about that obvious possibility.
    It's quite possible she altered events enough (or brainwashed everyone around) that she isn't even dead.
    She probably is the noob's ex-GF and transfered some powers to cover her story.

    Well we'll see.

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    Episode 21 - HS







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    Damn, Aika was so ready to kill herself for a noble case. Too much Shakespeare does that to you, folks. It was quite funny and very fitting Hakaze did her everything, as insufficient as it was, to stop Aika. Naturally she wouldn't be nearly as lovable if she had calculated that Aika needs to disappear for Yoshino to be free to chase other girls... Their little think tank was in fact coincidentally quite correct when they tried to explain how Yoshino could be the Mage of Exodus despite not showing any powers: Aika didn't really need to use her awesome powers for anything at all (not counting this nonsense fight) to give a very critical nudge for the world to head to the right direction.

    I bet Hakaze gained several years worth of maturity out of this time trip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
    How's this, she's the original mage of Exodus and decided to end her own life after becoming aware of her powers.
    Not bad past Archie, you've done well. Around 80% correct?

    Though I never anticipated Aika's role to be of such a complete and utter game master. Forget the characters, the whole play is orchestrated by her hand.

    And her attitude towards death didn't come out as abnormal either, not for me when considering her perspective at least. From the start she always felt like a sort of omnipresence either alive or dead around... well, everything. Being the mage of Exodus she was beyond humanity and our concepts of life and death, it doesn't feel strange because we as the audience don't feel qualified to judge her anymore.

    So many twists and turns... anyone care to guess how they'll deal with the tree from now on? Kamehameha exodus blast from the new guy seems like a crude way to end such a well crafted story.

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    I was just thinking that wouldn't this make Hakaze fall even more in love with Yoshino? She was so impressed by Aika, for a very good reason, and so shocked and saddened by her fate she couldn't prevent, or rather she caused it in a matter of speaking, that when combined with Aika's story of how Mahiro and Yoshino were the only people treating Aika like a normal girl, her image of Yoshino must have been upgraded once again. I wouldn't be surprised if Hakaze in fact now thought she has to sacrifice herself as well, should the situation offer any chances for that. I doubt the story would allow that, though, since this isn't supposed to end like a tragedy. Although if she's not hypocritical, she would recognize she can't do herself what she tried to deny from others.

    Aika's death is kind of interesting story wise in the sense that it had already happened when the series began, so it's a part of the setting, which I reckon is partly why Archie says judging her isn't relevant anymore.

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    I don't get why the Mage of Exodus ends up using power from the Tree of Genesis. If the Tree of Exodus could already infiltrate the Tree of Genesis to such an extent that it can tap into its powers, then destroying it should be easily done.

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    Aika managed to exceed even my expectations of awesomeness and superiority. I'm inclined to agree with Arch, Aika is beyond a character and is more like a force of nature/law of the setting. It's probably positivity goggles at this point but I feel like her larger than life status helps make her uberpower and coolness easier to swallow. Since she's been bound up in the causality of the story as dead from the get go no matter how amazingly cool and powerful she was revealed to be she couldn't easily be used as a deus ex machina for the resolution of the ultimate conflict because in the end she had to die for the series to take place at all.

    While the Aika fanboy in me hopes that somehow she can come back at the end anyway, I can admit that this would be less good storywise than having her stay dead. I won't stop rooting against the Yoshino x Hakaze ship with the same passion and zeal, however. With luck maybe Hakaze will take something away from her encounter with Aika and grow some though. She'll still be light years behind Aika in every way and couldn't catchup in a million lifetimes but if she does grow up a bit it would be attributable to Aika thus increasing her legend that much further.

    Hakaze's biggest problem to me has been her overwhelmingly stubborn selfishness and assuredness that she can actually control the logic of the world. Seeing Aika smack her around and demonstrate how much more powerful she was only to turn around and behave in a selfless manner in the service to something greater than her own desires could serve as a good lesson for her. In fact, perhaps Hakaze's mentality is part of the Tree's test of civilization. I would find it rather fitting if somehow part of the way to defeat the Tree of Genesis ended up being Hakaze having to let go of her delusions of control over the logic of the world. T

    All that aside after this episode's awesomeness I feel like whatever happens next will just be typical action-fantasy climactic battle boilerplate fluff. Aika and her mysteries were the most interesting thing about this series and other than the reading of her letters we probably aren't going to be getting much more about her.

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    I had always thought Aika with her blood drawn into some weird pattern, but this episode showed that it was actually just a pool of blood.

    I'm sure it was probably brought up before when we explored her death, but the "beautify" version is used exclusively so many times that I had no reason to believe otherwise.

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    I think that this is maybe the first show in wich I wish that every main character that is alive dies painfully and the ones dead revive. I cant stand the yoshino-hakaze bs I hate both of them but when they are together is just abomination. I hope a meteor kills them both. Mahiro and his fking complex, I truly believe he is going to end becoming homosexual, he had that mega weapon and didnt even use it to say a big nice "flame you" to the world by killing wichever tree. This is the example of a writer that reads some shakespeare comes up with a decent plot twist and then throws in all the anime garbage cliches to ruin it all.

    Sad thing is that overall quality of anime is so low nowadays that this crap looks like some good series. In the country of the blind, the one-eyed man is king. I doubt this last episodes will bring the changes i recon to be the only posible way of saving this show. Mahiro kills Hakaze and Yoshino cause he is in love with Yoshino after loving his own sister, thus losing all 2 times in a row and ends up suiciding or getting married with the new mage of exodus pussy-slave. Then Aika destroys the world and lets a new society to build up.
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    I finally caught up with this show - marathoned it from ep 10 to ep 21.
    Aika killing herself to set off this chain of events - predicted.
    Aika being true Mage of Exodus - predicted.
    Peacefull resolution of Mahiro's and Yoshino's relationship with Aika - total surprise.

    I really liked Hakaze's character, at least until later developments - she's too selfish, self centered and wants just to be happy - without regard to anything else(and so far it is just a coincidence that Her Happiness = Yoshino's Happiness )... total opposite of Aika. Heck - instead of writing this i could quote Yuki and just say " ^ THIS ^".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xelbair View Post
    I really liked Hakaze's character, at least until later developments - she's too selfish, self centered and wants just to be happy - without regard to anything else(and so far it is just a coincidence that Her Happiness = Yoshino's Happiness )... total opposite of Aika. Heck - instead of writing this i could quote Yuki and just say " ^ THIS ^".
    Aika was selfish as well. She was in the exact same position as Hakaze, although she knew even more yet didn't have a clan serving (or betraying) her. Instead she has a loyal brother and a boyfriend. In fact as far as I can see, Aika was willingly selfish and Hakaze is foolishly selfish. That's their personality difference. It's would be beyond hasty and superficial to think Aika wasn't selfish simply because she killed herself. Like somebody once said: dying is easy, living is hard.

    I felt this episode was a bit unsuccessful direction or writing wise. Samon and Evangeline praising Yoshino, in addition to Mahiro, was kind of strange considering Yoshino didn't do anything in this episode aside from almost dying for nothing. Since we didn't see Mahiro lay out the plan, it's impossible to say if Yoshino was significantly adding to it, so in the end we saw him do zilch. Even in the bigger picture he's been quite passive compared to how everybody kept saying he's the real wicked mastermind and how they even pictured him as the mage of Exodus. I wish he would occasionally do something to justify all that. So far the scene of fooling Samon and bringing back Hakaze is the single moment of brilliance he has displayed - and even that was somewhat dull considering Samon is not exactly a genius.

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    HS - Episode 22


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    @Kraco: I don't think it was out of place. In the most simplest form, Mahiro sets the direction and Yoshino does all the error-correction and gets things through. Mahiro alone won't come up with the best plan to do things, and Yoshino alone won't really care enough to do anything anyway.

    AKA: Mahiro sets the flow, Yoshino does with it and makes sure it's smooth.

    Evangeline's had some conversations with Yoshino before during their navigation and negotiations when people were still turning into iron statues, so she's seen his insight there. Samon knows first hand about Yoshino's manipulative prowess and ability to think on the spot to get what he wants. I'd say that after all this time they've met with the duo, they've got a fairly good idea about what they're capable of and how they bounce off each other.

    That's probably my favourite thing about this series - the non-BL relationship between the two being primary, while the romance is secondary but present.

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    Lol, the blade if infinite deaths was pretty cliché for an otherwise original and engaging storyline, but i don't really care. Solid show, good ending.

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