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    Quote Originally Posted by MFauli View Post
    For all this talk about inconsistency in Sakamoto´s fighting abilites (vr vs rl), you guys seem to completely ignore the discrepancy between his likable island-self and his "I´m a total asshole at home"-self. Seems a lot more striking imo.
    Well firstly it's not the discrepancy in his ability, but his (should-be-fatal) refusal to accept the game around him.

    I also don't see a discrepancy between his island-self and his home self. He was pissed with his family because they kept pressuring him to do a job he didn't want to do.

    And when he throws an Xbox controller in his room, he's not exactly expecting his mum to retaliate with a BIM either.

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    Perhaps one of the most interesting scenes was the mother admitting what she had done.

    Himiko's case shows one way, where three very confused, angry, and betrayed girls throw all their misguided hate at Himiko. The three actual victims are blaming the other lesser victim. Himiko was still attacked, her trust betrayed in the band members (and men in general) destroyed all the same, and while the girls' attackers are in prison, they can't feel satisfied that justice has been done due to the terrible nature of what they endured. Not being able to inflict further retribution on their attackers, they go for the next best thing, the one that narrowly got away. Himiko even did the right thing and went for help. I had thought just the one glasses-girl submitted Himiko's name, but all three of them conferred and put in her name. They probably felt that Himiko should have been raped too, and they nearly got their wish. Thanks to the fat guy, she was traumatized nearly as much as they were.

    Sakamoto's case on the other hand, a mother, frustrated past the point of anger with her deadbeat son, does something unthinkable in a fit of dismay. Her cold eyes showed that she wasn't thinking straight when she filled out the form, she had checked out for the day. Then, when it actually happened and he was taken away, the gravity of what she had done drove her to a suicide attempt (we don't know if it was successful, yet). Sakamoto was clearly to blame for his case, since he was so fervent on only one largely impossible goal of working at the company than created and ran BTOOOM. He knew as well as his mother that his stepfather had been laid off and they were having financial troubles, but he did nothing. His complete selfishness drove his mother to a temporary insanity, which she immediately regretted later.

    Was what he had done any more or less severe than what Himiko had accidentally done to her friends? No. Neither of them should have been sent to the island. But it is interesting to see a mother immediately repentant for her act, while the raped girls presumably finally feel better, but only by going the person that did her best to save them.

    After seeing the mother's reaction, I would like to see the aftermath of the girls, either showing them calling each other in victory, shocked in a similar way that Sakamoto's mother was after realizing they had betrayed the person who probably kept them from being murdered afterward, or even better, seeing Himiko again if she returns from the island.

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    I don't think Sakamoto is to blame for his situation. If the mother/father finds the boy to be a financial burden they don't want to have around, they can ask him to leave. If that is unsuccessful, they can make him leave via legal means.

    As for the girls' reactions to Himiko's disappearance, I wouldn't expect them to find out since they all moved away to different schools/places. I assumed Sakamoto's mum made the link because she realised he went missing (she lives with him after all) after she filled out the form.

    To announce to people that their wishes have been fulfilled is to take responsibility for the disappearance of a few dozen people, and I don't think a company would want to announce their wrongdoings to the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobian
    If the mother/father finds the boy to be a financial burden they don't want to have around, they can ask him to leave. If that is unsuccessful, they can make him leave via legal means.
    Agree with this 100%. While Sakamoto was certainly a deadbeat son he is not to blame for ending up on the island any more than Himiko is. I agree that Sakamoto is responsible for his mom being pushed as far as she was into displeasure with his behavior but there are proper channels to express or act on ones displeasure with a house guest as Buff pointed out and Sakamoto's mom skipped all of those and decided to have him kidnapped by a secret organization instead.

    While I think he was being a complete dick and it would have been just for his parents to kick him out I don't think he was doing anything wrong by taking advantage of his mothers inability to either kick him out or pick up the phone and call the police and tell her she's afraid her son is going to harm her if she tries to evict him but she wants him out of the house. His mother made an active choice to try and have him kidnapped instead and she bears responsibility for the consequences of that choice.

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    HS - Episode 06


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    So yelling "Sakamoto-han!" isn't enough to get through to her like I thought it would. It's good that Sakamoto's finally starting to doubt people and think things through. Taira's recovering way too fast for a realistic Komodo bite IMO, but I like having him around so I won't complain.

    He's acting all nice and chummy right now, but when the time comes where killing his companions would get him enough chips.. he could well revert back to his former self.
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    What do you mean with "revert to his former self"? I´m still unsure about Taira´s true self. Maybe he´ll betray Sakamoto, maybe he won´t.

    Those were some large Komodos btw. Too big imo. A grown-up should have no problems to fend off one of them. They´re more of a danger for little children.

    Favorite scene was when Sakamoto, without wanting to, revealed his past perverted actions to Himiko by simply blushing. Instead of keeping it a secret that could have potentially developed into some stupid drama later on ("oooooh, so he didn´t tell you that he took a look at your panties? Well, well, what do you think now of your hero? Hahaha" - by some made-up random opponent), it was resolved smoothly and quickly. Of course, it painted Sakamoto in a bit of a bad light, but Himiko didn´t react as strongly about it was I expected her to.

    And then there was the zombie observer. No idea what´s going on there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFauli
    What do you mean with "revert to his former self"?
    I suppose "former self" is the wrong choice of word. I mean his "work" self where he's just caring for himself (and results) while disregarding everyone else. Right now he's treating Sakamoto as more of a friend/family, but when the goal becomes more clear he could once again judge people by their usefulness/burden.

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    I guess I was more surprised at the three or four times Taira used Sakamoto's name in front of her, that Himiko didn't recognize it (obviously his online wife from her flashback episode, confirmed by the preview title of next episode).

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    @Mfauli - Komodo dragons can grow up to 3 meters, can run up to 20 kph, and have practically lethal bites. Good luck fending that off without problem.
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    I feel like all men in this anime are incompetent in terms of their own dicks. Could somebody PLEASE rape Himiko?! How hard can it be?

    But seriously, the fat nerd was a lucky kill. The lawyer is too scared to touch her for unknown reasons. And the muscle-packed ex-soldier is gay - at least that´s my only explanation for him. Most lucky girl to be in the situation she is, lol.

    Anyway, I´m still enjoying this anime greatly. It´s inconsequent at times, yes (that one explosion was WAY too close to Sakamoto to leave him unharmed), but the setting is really fun and there´s some mystery that´s slowly being revealed. And, I mean ... we´re watching crap like SAO, so there´s no way to make any big complaints here.

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    Sakamoto's reasoning about balancing and stuff was shit. WTF did he think he was talking about?

    Balancing issues screw up weapon/class fairness. It doesn't help you leave a death game or make everyone win.

    Maybe you can make gems spawn without killing people under certain conditions. That would be a bug - and that's not happening IRL. What the hell was he on about?

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    Just watched the first episode, and looks like a good one. Will try to see more of it later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian View Post
    Sakamoto's reasoning about balancing and stuff was shit. WTF did he think he was talking about?

    Balancing issues screw up weapon/class fairness. It doesn't help you leave a death game or make everyone win.

    Maybe you can make gems spawn without killing people under certain conditions. That would be a bug - and that's not happening IRL. What the hell was he on about?
    He means that this game is in the beta stage and that he's confident he'll be able to work the bugs to his advantage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
    He means that this game is in the beta stage and that he's confident he'll be able to work the bugs to his advantage.
    How would that work?

    They're in a death game. The "gamemaster" wants them to fight to the death. No "bug" is going to get you out of there. "Beta" means it's still in a trial phase and it's not running as well as it could - it doesn't mean Sakamoto can just bail from there and go home.

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    It means it can be exploited, there are means that can be used to bypass the system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
    It means it can be exploited, there are means that can be used to bypass the system.
    What system?

    The only "system" there is the one they're using to fight. Exploiting the "system" only means exploiting the ways to fight.

    The fact that they're stuck on an island with no foreseeable way out and only limited food supplies is fact.

    Are you suggesting that the 8-chips-to-win process is automated by some AI, and that Sakamoto can trick it into thinking they've got 8 chips when they don't? That's the only "system" exploit I can possibly see.

    If I was the Game Master and see everybody going all chummy, I'd just drop the food supplies until the killing starts up again.

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    What he means is that there may be another means of escape, like getting help, building a boat, etc. There may be blind spots for such actions not foreseen and addressed by the developers.
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    That's fucking hilarious, this guy's such an asshole that they sent him there twice.

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