You two obviously just solved it. Tobi = Rin with Obito's eye.
You two obviously just solved it. Tobi = Rin with Obito's eye.
[21:48] * DO furiously masturbates to #gotwoot
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You said if it was Izuna Uchiha, he *would* know about Kakashi. But the only character who would know about Kakashi's broken promise is Obito. Kakashi didn't tell Izuna Uchiha about his broken promises offscreen. Tobi isn't speaking generally, as though his words have no personal meaning to Kakashi and he is just shittalking ninjas in general.Originally Posted by DB_Hunter
There is only one broken promise Kakashi made to a character in this manga that Tobi could be referencing - his failure to protect his comrades. It isn't a reference to fucking nothing. And it's personal. To be fair, this only rules out everyone except Obito and Rin, but although I haven't watched the Naruto anime I'm confident Tobi has a man's voice, so the hilarious possibility that it's Rin mad over Obito's death and put on the Tobi mask is pretty unlikely unless she grew a penis.We don't know what happened to Rin. We don't even see the Rin's name mentioned in this chapter. We see Kakashi standing in a cemetary, where he could be mourning Obito, Rin, or any other fellow ninja who may have died on a mission with him. Try reading the same chapter as everyone else.
Yes that's true. I'm assuming if it is Izuna he would have been skulking around in the shadows at the Kannabi bridge, much like how he controlled the Mizukage, to watch the fight. Why would he do this? I don't think Kakashi or Obito/Obito's eye would be important enough to drag someone like Izuna out there. If he was there he would most likely have been gathering intel on Minato as he developed his plan to take control of the Kyuubi from Kushina. Getting Obito's eye could have just been a bonus.
Kakashi changed right after Obito's death. Unless Rin died the very instant Obito did without 'new' Kakashi having the chance to save her from any potential danger, Kakashi would have done his utmost to protect her even it cost him his life. He already gave up his life in the fight against Pein just to zap a nail away from Chouji, there is no way he would not have gone all out to save Rin. So it can't be due to a Rin related grudge. I don't think its Rin, as when we see part of Tobi's face when both with Sasuke in the cave and with Konan during the fight he is a wrinkled man.There is only one broken promise Kakashi made to a character in this manga that Tobi could be referencing - his failure to protect his comrades. It isn't a reference to fucking nothing. And it's personal. To be fair, this only rules out everyone except Obito and Rin, but although I haven't watched the Naruto anime I'm confident Tobi has a man's voice, so the hilarious possibility that it's Rin mad over Obito's death and put on the Tobi mask is pretty unlikely unless she grew a penis.
It can't be Obito as someone posted a while ago it would be stupid that he managed to recover from his crushing injuries, develop the eye warping technique, obtain knowledge about Kyuubi and the weakest point of a Jinchuuriki's seal and be able to go toe-to-toe with Minato in such a short space of time between the fight at Kannabi bridge and Naruto's birth. Tobi being Obito also doesn't explain how Madara seems to be aware of him.
I'm sticking with Izuna, even though it isn't certain, as I think the eye technique related thing was Izuna harvesting eyes as his own got taken by Madara.
This is true, in fact right after obito died rin and kakashi were ambushed and he told her to run; if minato didn't save them, kakashi would have died protecting her.
That's the thing though. Obito was no longer around in person to see how his death had affected Kakashi. He was only seeing things from the outside looking in. He doesn't know, or care, that Kakashi's been friendship no jutsu'd to hell and back by now. All he knows is that Kakashi promised him to save Rin and then ended up crying by her grave. Tobi is trying to create a world where that will never happen again (again, it's very bizarre for Izuna Uchiha, the future time traveling Sasuke, or whatever, to have such a personal interest in making sure Kakashi doesn't have to apologize to graves anymore).
In addition, just think about it for a second in a meta context. Why are Kakashi and Gai here? Kakashi and Gai are like ants in this battle. Kakashi has the dimension attack but he is just about out of juice, and this is a singularly inappropriate fight for Gai considering he can do sweet fuck all. Why did the author bring them here? So they can identify who Tobi is when he takes his mask off. Aside from the absolutely, mindbendingly retarded possibility of Future Sasuke, there's no one behind the mask that Naruto would know, so Kakashi and Gai are there to identify who he is for Naruto, and thus the reader. Now ask yourself this - if it's Izuna Uchiha, how are they going to do that? They have no idea what he looks like. In fact, why would he be wearing a mask? The only reason people know what Madara looks like is because there is a colossal statue of him somewhere. There's no reason for Izuna to hide his face. If it's a Zetsu clone of Madara's chakra or some shit, no one knows what that looks like. So whose face will Kakashi and Gai identify behind the mask? Well, maybe just Kakashi if they wanna play Gai for laughs one more time.
Everything is answered by our boy Tobi: "You who are capable of nothing more than unfulfilled promises no longer has any worth or value! Even if you have regrets, it is too late! Reality will continue to callously march forward! You who have always been pragmatic and practical should understand. No promises or hopes will ever come true in this world!"This is true, in fact right after obito died rin and kakashi were ambushed and he told her to run; if minato didn't save them, kakashi would have died protecting her.
The promise isn't enough. Changing isn't enough. Regretting your losses isn't enough. As he says, a pragmatic person should understand: people are dead, no matter how noble Kakashi's soul is now or whatever. Reality trumps his convictions, which is why Tobi wants to get rid of reality.
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Like I said in IRC this is like when people refused to believe Itachi was a good guy. See, there are huge holes in this theory, because we know Itachi is a mass murderer! What do you mean that's going to be explained after the fact, I'm too dumb to understand the writing of a children's comic book!
Last edited by Y; Mon, 08-13-2012 at 03:07 PM.
He did? i think he used that one before...
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
yea I thought it was at first too, had to compare the cover page and wiki
I'm glad he did not. Powerups are cool... not when they happen all the time. THE MAIN REASON is not because it's impractical or unfair to other characters. NO! It's unfair to Naruto that he would need like 3-5 power ups just to beat one person. His character growth should be more then just a boost in power. His fighting experience, compassion to save him comrades should be more then enough at this point. He is the hero!
Give Naruto some respect Kishimoto. Tactics, persistents, some hard work and luck is what is needed for Naruto to win here. Powerups make it seem like all the hard work was for nothing.
To me there is a differnce between working hard to get stronger, sage mode training, all the fights that have lead up to moment, making friends with Karama! Victory feels fake if you win by just flicking on some instant powerup switch!
You have a point there, but I still think it's Tobi. It was only because their names look similar back then, but now that he got pissy about Kakashi talking to his grave... I'd bet Kakashi's non Uchiha eye on it.
You mean the kyuubi made trench coat that looks like his Dad's? Maybe it can do magic tricks like this guy's cape.
So u honestly think Kishi would make it sooooooo obvious before revealing Tobi? He made us wait 5 years, but it's that simple.
Please, explain how Obito got Hashirama's DNA, explain how Obito was able to fight Minato, control the Kyuubi. The nine tails attacked Konoha Soon after the war. And Please, I beg you to explain how Tobi/Obito survived that rock slide when half his body was already crushed, missing an eye, and probably no vision in his other eye.
And since he has such a "Hatred" for kakashi, why hasn't he attacked him before? He's confronted him several times, but never attacked him, but now all of a sudden you say he hates him. When did this hatred come alive?
Digging his grave, seems like a simple task in this universe apparently.
By using Kamui.
Sharingan can tame tailed beasts. He has a sharingan.
Kakashi survived getting killed, Obito can survive a rock.
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
Yes. It's called foreshadowing. That's what authors do. They don't drop false hints to trick the readers into thinking in a different direction, and then say "haha, did you really think I would make it that obvious!?"
Probably the same way Kabuto got the DNA of all those people he resurrected.Please, explain how Obito got Hashirama's DNA,
We saw how. He used his mangekyou. All he did was phase in and out of dimensions to avoid being hit by Minato. It's not like he had some great power that put him on par with Minato.explain how Obito was able to fight Minato,
That's easy. His mangekyou awakened while he was under the rock and he phased out of it.And Please, I beg you to explain how Tobi/Obito survived that rock slide when half his body was already crushed
Does Tobi seem like the type that loses control to anger or hatred and attacks people? He is a slow, deliberate schemer, and prefers to have everything and everyone fall into his plans.And since he has such a "Hatred" for kakashi, why hasn't he attacked him before? He's confronted him several times, but never attacked him, but now all of a sudden you say he hates him. When did this hatred come alive?
Now, while we're all sitting around explaining things, why don't you explain to us why it bothers you so much and why you get so upset every time someone mentions Obito.
b1gdawg is Obito, that`s why.
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
the answer to all of those questions: Payne helped him, or Zetsu.
the only thing we know is that he didn't have Mangekyou sharingan until three years ago.
Well if they are in fact one in the same, there's not much to explain in regards to how he would have survived the rock. He must have activated his other eye's mangekyou or whatever allows them to use Kamui and then he just phased thru the rock that had been crushing him. What I'm wondering is who helped him to survive afterward.... did he warp himself into that weird pillar dimension just out of activating it and was someone there that helped him to survive his wounds?
Last edited by Kagemane_no_Jutsu; Sun, 08-19-2012 at 11:53 PM.
tobi has yet to be seen with mangekyou
A very good point.
Kishi just hasn't shown a close-up of the eye while in Mangekyou form. If he had, then it would be a dead give away that it is Obito, since it would be identical to what Kakashi's looks like.
Ok.... aside from the jump to conclusion, you're right, my point would have had a bigger impact if we still thought he was Madara.
Do you guys remember that time, when tobi said he was just a shell of his former self? Obito wasn't shit so I find it hard to believe Current tobi < obito
You guys keep saying the hints are obvious it's obito, but IMO like I said they're all red herrings.
One piece spoiler ------------------> like we were led to believe Luffy & Ace were real brothers and ace was the son of dragon
Anyways, I'm not gonna discuss this anymore. Only 1 or 2 more chapters till it's revealed.
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