Yeah...i kind of wish they stopped after SAO & ALO arks... This is really just diluting the series. I couldn't get excited about this at all... "Oh no, the landscape of the game will change!" Who the fuck cares, that might make the game even more exciting. I might have even sided with the other guys. There's not really a lot at stake here, it's literally like just watching a group of kids play a video game.
Kirito said it himself - There's nothing more boring than watching someone else play an RPG.
I'm having fun.
Kirito using Fire with one sword and Ice with the other is cool looking.
And it's fun how even when it's time for elemental attacks, Klein still manages to be completely redundant when Kirito is around, also using Fire attacks. Whereas the girls all seem to use different elements.
What on earth would make you think that's a thing you would have heard about if it happened in the game?Originally Posted by MFauli
With everything else that's possible in the game, why would that be the one thing that would somehow be impossible? But more importantly, why do you assume it's something that would definitely get mentioned, even though it has no relevance to the story?
"Alright, today we're gonna try and complete this quest and claim that legendary weapon! Also, did you guys hear about how NPC be gettin' raped all the time? Crazy right?"
Last edited by DarthEnderX; Sun, 10-26-2014 at 02:21 AM.
Now that I think about it, Freya turning down Klein and joining the Kirito harem might be a good thing. That could drive Klein to become hostile and the villain of the next arc or the one after. Of course in the beginning he would act all jolly and understanding, continuing to hang around the same as ever, but in the background he would be seething with wrath and working against Kirito (and his harem).
Too bad such writing would be beyond the author of this story.
That would be a pretty good plot for a joke episode.
I have no idea if this arc was ever in the novels, but this seriously felt like SAO switched narratives entirely...and had to start with a 5 minute explanation from Yui about how it was possible. NPCs and bosses having some level of AI and self-determination is just too outside the box here. Even Yui was a system level AI.
It's as if they saw a certain other MMO series and decided to copy it.
You couldn't have the game's equivalent Yui-Level AI wasting time on having Frejya being Klein's in-game girlfriend.
At least the One-Time Only, world changing quests were a part of SAO from very early on, so that part at least makes sense, as does the quest auto-generation to support that.
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...and I just convinced myself that not only was all this bullshit possible, it was actually probable based on what we saw in the original SAO game. Yui's level of intelligence makes a lot of things possible. I guess she can't be the only learning-AI program Kayaba developed.
I have to say I prefer this over the BoB festival. Back into the fantasy RPG's. Just turn off your brain and enjoy.
Yeah, cause nothing would make for a more exciting climactic final battle of a story arc than Kirito sword-raping Klein in 10 seconds...
Yeah, I was just gonna say, Yui's mere existence makes everything we've seen here completely within the scope of the series.
SOA already has crazy advanced AI that is capable of becoming self-aware. Everything happening here is pretty much just a less severe version of that. There's nothing that says that what happened with Yui can never happen with another AI in the system.
Last edited by DarthEnderX; Tue, 10-28-2014 at 12:24 AM.
Why not? I don't know about exciting, as very little about this show has ever been exciting, but it would be dramatic enough for this story to make Kirito need to fight somebody he considers his friend, and make him aware of the reason why the person stopped being his friend. A friend instead of some murderous psycho bastard caring nothing for human life like the villains have mainly been so far. If it came down to it and Kirito needed to sword-rape him, then it being very easy technically for him would only make Klein's bitterness all the easier to understand, even for Kirito himself. It wouldn't certainly make him feel any better. Probably.
sometimes i wonder why those japanese authors think that watching such a perfect hero is interesting to do. Same with Ichika from Infinite Stratos. Iīd much rather watch someone like Klein, who has his flaws, follow him as he grows stronger, tries to get a girl and whatever. With Kirito, everythingīs just gravitating towards him without any effort. Sigh, now im reminded of Sasuke ...
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
You better not watch The Irregular at Magic High School. The main character in that show makes Kirito look like a bumbling idiot. He makes Gary Stus everywhere feel inadequate.
Because some people think it is.
Hellsing does it right.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
There are MCs in shows that are utterly miserable and shouldn't be the heroes in the first place. In other series the hero starts relatively weak and gradually grows stronger, which might be the main type in shounen shows. Then there are those who are good to begin with. You just need to pick the stories you watch, which is great because that way everybody will have something to watch. Needless to say, if the original author is worth his ink, a story can be interesting and exciting in all the three cases. Like MOG said, compared to Mahouka, Kirito has been continuously struggling from one challenge to the next. In any case in my personal opinion a competent MC possessing a harem, if a harem he must have, is much better than a loser having one. At least in SAO's case it's not impossible to see why the girls would flock to Kirito. Compare that to IS, where the dude gets a harem simply because he happens to be the only guy in the school full of girls, despite his brain making depleted uranium look fluffy in comparison.
@MFauli - I like genius types more than hardworking types. It is a matter of preference. I know it is tempting to view something you do not understand or prefer as "wrong" or "bad," but it is something that you can easily avoid by understanding how vastly people's views differ. My personal reason for this preference is, rather than feeling excited, I prefer to feel awed by the characters. I am also able to empathize more with prodigies compared to the average joe.
Peace.
Well, guess it really is about preferences then. But the more I think about it, the more Iīd love Klein to be the "hero" of SAO. Someone whoīs sometimes clumsy, awkward and strong, but not unrealistically strong. Somebody who decides to help others despite knowing that heīs far from invincible and has to put his life at risk every single time. Thatīs why I also always liked Kuririn more than Son-Goku. When Goku fights, you know heīs gonna win somehow. But when Kuririn faces Nappa, or when he stands in front of Freezer, you wonder "wtf is this poor brave guy gonna do?!". And when he manages to achieve something, its all the more awesome.
Then thereīs also the somewhat separate issue of romances. Part of it is me being jealous, surely. Kirito has it all, the skills, the looks, and the girls. Heīs just too lucky. But then thereīs also the part that simply makes it silly for someone to have a "harem". Yes, itīs an anime trope, but when an anime attempts to tell an engaging story, I would expect more than such silliness. Seriously, where is this leading? If you turn on your brain for a moment, whats next? Kirito and Asuna are a couple ad infinitum, theyre not gonna break up. So what is Silicaīs, Lizīs, Shinonīs and Leifaīs plan for the future? Stay bitter singles forever? At some point marry a different guy, telling him "honey, Im sorry, but if thereīs ever a chance, Ill let myself get fucked by this other guy. Hope you understand."? Thatīs why itīs just too silly, thereīs no endgame.
To summarize, the legitimacy of a harem depends on the type of anime. Is it one of those cheap romance shows? Sure, whatever. But is it an anime that goes on about this epic Aincrad, players being trapped inside and dying? Then I expect more.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
So basically it's down to either cheering for the underdog vs admiring the talented. And polygamy is still a thing, even if it's not legally sanctioned. I suppose the girls will just stick around until they getpregnantover him.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
I think there's also an important distinction between being a perfect heo, and simply being the best at something.
Kirito isn't perfect, he's just the best one there is.
And I think it's perfectly acceptable to be able to enjoy both of those things. I'm just as capable of enjoying a Naruto(early series) as I am a Goku.
Well, there IS an endgame for a harem. It's when the guy picks one of the girls.
Which is why it doesn't work in SAO. Normally in a harem situation, once the guy picks someone, that's the end of the series.
Kirito has picked someone, but the series is still going on. So what we're seeing here is the weird awkwardness of what goes on with the Harem after it's supposed to be over.
Last edited by DarthEnderX; Tue, 10-28-2014 at 10:12 AM.
That's a good analysis of the situation.
Asuna should learn to share a little. I have read harem doujins of SAO with more believable settings than the current one in the anime.
Peace.
A proper endgame would be:
- Kirito and Asuna marry
- Shinon leaves for GGO
- Silica finds a boy her age
- Klein marries Leafa
- Liz stays single because nobody likes her
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
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