Sword Art Online

[MFauli]

She was living with a crippling trauma, her own mother was disgusted by her making her live alone, and she got bullied at school probably every day. She was supposed to shoulder being nice to a rich kid who had no such troubles whatsoever but instead a supposedly good and assured life ahead of him due to inheriting the hospital? I think the dude was the one who should have been nice to her, if he took it upon himself to try to support a wreck like Sinon. But instead he only wanted to get in her pants and had no intention of helping her to heal, since he was actually looking up to her trauma!

That he turned out being a badly written clichee-psycho doesn´t matter for that point in time, though. Claiming he just wanted to get in her pants is just stupid. From what we had seen at this point in time, he liked her and wanted to do normal boys-girls-stuff. He never made the impression of being some shallow macho, trying to score with another bitch, so to say. From what we saw, he wanted to be her bf, love her, be there for her. And instead of telling this friendly guy "sorry, I am not romantically interested in you", she led him on. Did she deserve to be raped? Of course, not. But she was a true bitch for playing with him, and having a trauma does not excuse hurting other people´s feeling.

[DarthEnderX]

In the above context, she had the two options I mentioned: Give him a chance OR not sympathizing with him after his attempted rape-murder of her. Of course, she also had the third option of clearly telling him off. But she decided not to do this, either.

No, the option she chose is a perfectly acceptable option for a person who is capable of having empathy for what is clearly a mentally unstable person.

She´s got no obligation whatsoever at all, that´s not what I was getting at.

Bullshit it wasn't. She's an extremely meek, polite person, and yet you labeled her "the biggest bitch in anime" just because she didn't want to go out with a guy. It's EXACTLY what you were getting at.

I think you MIGHT be the worst human being on this forum. And I'm pretty sure there are pedophiles here.

[Ryllharu]

From what we had seen at this point in time, he liked her and wanted to do normal boys-girls-stuff. He never made the impression of being some shallow macho, trying to score with another bitch, so to say. From what we saw, he wanted to be her bf, love her, be there for her. And instead of telling this friendly guy "sorry, I am not romantically interested in you", she led him on. Did she deserve to be raped? Of course, not. But she was a true bitch for playing with him, and having a trauma does not excuse hurting other people´s feeling.

Uhh....

He admitted he only approached her because he found out that she was a killer. The entire reason he even approached her in the first place was because she has the reputation of being a murderer. That's not "normal boy-girl stuff".

He was determined that she was the perfect type of person to go on to the fantasy digital world with him and become a PKing couple. They were both murderers after all, she's fine with it, he wants to do it too. Take after his cool brother, not hang out in this stressful shitty real world where he has to be a responsible adult and take over a business that he doesn't want to. Nah, they can be murderers together in the "next" world. She killed once before, she's got to enjoy it just like he does, right?

And not once did she ever lead him on. No idea where you even got that impression. He makes advances toward her, she meekly and politely refused on the swingset.

[MFauli]

No, the option she chose is a perfectly acceptable option for a person who is capable of having empathy for what is clearly a mentally unstable person.

i will continue to disagree with you here. it´s just not realistic. are you saying rape-victims that aren´t worrying about their perpetrator are lacking empathy? "I can understand why he raped me", really?

I think you MIGHT be the worst human being on this forum. And I'm pretty sure there are pedophiles here.

It´s not what I was getting at and I thoroughly explained it to you. But your ad homines are real classy. And not only do I not know who´s the worst human being on this forum (although I can honestly claim I am better than you, who cannot discuss a topic in a calm matter, resorting to personal attacks), your assumption that pedophiles are per se bad human beings is sickeningly ignorant. And no, I am not pedophile. Just empathetic.

Edit: @Ryll: Please see how I explicitely and repeatedly wrote "at this point in time". It´s easy to say what you wrote after finding out about the real circumstances.

[Kraco]

and having a trauma does not excuse hurting other people´s feeling.

Perhaps not objectively speaking, but it means she might not have had a choice in the matter. Psychological trauma that doesn't affect a person's behavior, personality, and choices in life isn't trauma at all. The dude knew her situation better than most. It's not like he would have been an ordinary classmate who first observed her from afar and then approached to confess.

[KrayZ33]

And I'm pretty sure there are pedophiles here.

*everyone looks at buff*

[Ryllharu]

Edit: @Ryll: Please see how I explicitely and repeatedly wrote "at this point in time". It´s easy to say what you wrote after finding out about the real circumstances.

So he's the lying two-faced psychopathic asshole, smiling and all friendly while secretly thinking about how he is going to either murder Shino or they're going to become a lovely homicidal duo because in his own head, she definitely wants his dick...and she's the bitch?

DarthEnderX and I agree on essentially nothing...except this whole discussion.

[MFauli]

So he's the lying two-faced psychopathic asshole, smiling and all friendly while secretly thinking about how he is going to either murder Shino or they're going to become a lovely homicidal duo because in his own head, she definitely wants his dick...and she's the bitch?

What Sinon knows prior to the revelation:
- guy likes her
- guy cares for her, is her only friend
- instead of clearly telling him off, she gives him a reaction causing him to say "okay, i will wait", to which she doesn´t object
- she is fine with going on like that

So yes, she IS the bitch in this scenario. Why? Because she´s instilling hope in this guy, who SHE knows that he wants more. As Kraco mentioned, sure, she has this trauma. But that doesnt make her less a bitch. It simply might explain why she is a bitch. And just for fun , Ill write the word bitch some more. lol.

[shinta|hikari]

*everyone looks at buff*

This made me LOL.

Also, being a pedophile does not make you a bad person. Look at Buff.

@Mfauli - The thing is, she did not lead him on intentionally. It just so happened that Kirito made her wet. She didn't promise she would say yes. She just asked for him to wait until after the tournament for an answer. When that happened, she simply made a decision and said no. If Kirito had not been there, she might have even accepted death gun (without knowing he is a psycho).

[KrayZ33]

No wait, I confused buff with you didn't I?
Who was the Loli-fan again?

*Everyone looks at Shinta except for KrayZee who looks at Buff*
*Buff coughs and points at Shinta*
*Now everyone looks at Shinta*

[DarthEnderX]

So he's the lying two-faced psychopathic asshole, smiling and all friendly while secretly thinking about how he is going to either murder Shino or they're going to become a lovely homicidal duo because in his own head, she definitely wants his dick...and she's the bitch?

His argument seems to be that because she didn't KNOW any of that, she should have had no reason to reject him. And rejecting a seemingly nice guy somehow makes you a bitch. Even if you don't actually have feelings for that person, you should just accept their advances anyway because they're nice to you.

It's some kinda Men's Rights Activist logic that I don't fully understand.

[shinta|hikari]

This is nothing new.

[DarthEnderX]

This is nothing new.

Well, I'm sure some of you guys frequent threads for more relationship-based based forums than I do.

I generally don't venture outside of Shounen crap, so I'm not really familiar with you guys attitudes on such things.

[MFauli]

His argument seems to be that because she didn't KNOW any of that, she should have had no reason to reject him. And rejecting a seemingly nice guy somehow makes you a bitch. Even if you don't actually have feelings for that person, you should just accept their advances anyway because they're nice to you.

It's some kinda Men's Rights Activist logic that I don't fully understand.

You really ought to read. She should have accepted his feelings or rejected them. She did neither. That´s the problem.

[MasterOfMoogles]

She basically told him she couldn't deal with thinking about that right now and to wait until after the tournament.
Seems fair to me.

And while I don't agree with MFauli, let's try to keep the discussion civil guys. Some of the comments earlier were uncalled for. Even if you don't like someone, focus on the arguments and not the poster.

[exglitch67]

She basically told him she couldn't deal with thinking about that right now and to wait until after the tournament.
Seems fair to me.

And while I don't agree with MFauli, let's try to keep the discussion civil guys. Some of the comments earlier were uncalled for. Even if you don't like someone, focus on the arguments and not the poster.

I don't believe Sinnon was wrong, but in my opinion she made that statement as a cop out. If she was really undecided and just ended up not being into him that's one thing, but to me she clearly does not think of him in a romantic fashion (see note below) and was using the tournament to put off a conversation that she would of rather avoided because she may lose a friend. Now its not right that her friend would put her in a position like that, but it doesn't absolve her of the fact it seems she knew the answer was no and let him believe otherwise. In my observation it is very obvious she is not into him, are there differences of opinion on this?



Edit: Another thought just occurred to me while reading the discussion; When has a girl ever given a "maybe" as an answer only to come back later and say "I thought about it and yes, let's date." In my experience, especially when I have been in the place of death gun kid, if it wasn't "yes" then any other answer meant "no" you just have to wait longer to get it. For example, even though Sinnon was not "ready" to date, she still got wet for Kirito. So to be honest, timing is usually a cop out.

[DarthEnderX]

Now its not right that her friend would put her in a position like that, but it doesn't absolve her of the fact it seems she knew the answer was no and let him believe otherwise. In my observation it is very obvious she is not into him, are there differences of opinion on this?

I don't believe so. The difference of opinion is to whether this makes the character a bitch, and if it did, does that somehow mean she deserves to be murdered.

[MFauli]

recap :/

[DarthEnderX]

So does that mean they're doing the next arc as well? Because it would seem weird to end the run on a clip show.

[MasterOfMoogles]

They're doing a side story next, followed by the next volume of the LN.