Sword Art Online

[Buffalobiian]

Honestly? I think it is pretty funny that he's batting away bullets with a sword and playing Knife CS.

Games aside, once you close on a rifle or pistol wielding opponent, it becomes dramatically more difficult for them to hit you, and easier and easier for them to get killed with a knife. It's 21 feet (6.5 meters). It's something everyone in the military gets taught. CQC is a very valuable skill.


Considering Kuroyuki's family relationship hinted at in the series...there's pretty much no way. The author would never take his Gary Sue and especially his Saintly Maternal Yamato Nadesico and have it work out that way. It makes sense, but it also very much doesn't.

All the exposition in this episode made it a very strong possibility that Kirito is the developer of the Neuro Linkers and maybe Brain Burst itself.

That is true. Perhaps she could be his granddaughter in that case. Now that I remember the tech development, before they had Neurolinkers they also had brain-chips. If that was "retro", I'd gather that many years of development had gone one since then.. so the timelines for the two series (if connected) may actually be more than one generation apart.

[Kraco]

please...
its a game, you have stats, skills and superhuman-abilities. its not ARMA and most of all - It's an MMORPG

that aside, it was perfectly fine to run with melee perks and a knife+pistol in cock of doodies (FPShooter) too
and guess what Kirito is doing in the ED.

I wouldn't know since I've only seen this first episode, and the only "fight" we saw was a sniper sniping some careless dude. On the other hand I'm not in the habit of playing games that try to emphasize gun fights but actually allow somebody to ace them with a blade. That would sound like a game that doesn't know what it wants to be and wouldn't make any serious people happy - oh, right, this was the only game that had professional players in Japan! Well, it's Japan, which should be enough said (I mean, it's the country that produces games where characters carry swords twice as tall as the characters themselves and probably twice as heavy as well).

Games aside, once you close on a rifle or pistol wielding opponent, it becomes dramatically more difficult for them to hit you, and easier and easier for them to get killed with a knife. It's 21 feet (6.5 meters). It's something everyone in the military gets taught. CQC is a very valuable skill.

Sure. It's also why many assault rifles allow attaching a bayonet. Rifles also contain lots of heavy steel, so they are quite nice as clubs, I'm sure. However, you could also say that a soldier has failed if the enemy ever gets so close. Modern warfare is meant to defeat the enemy from a distance, the farther the better.

[Ryllharu]

I wouldn't know since I've only seen this first episode, and the only "fight" we saw was a sniper sniping some careless dude. On the other hand I'm not in the habit of playing games that try to emphasize gun fights but actually allow somebody to ace them with a blade. That would sound like a game that doesn't know what it wants to be and wouldn't make any serious people happy - oh, right, this was the only game that had professional players in Japan! Well, it's Japan, which should be enough said (I mean, it's the country that produces games where characters carry swords twice as tall as the characters themselves and probably twice as heavy as well).

Lots of games allow you to kill someone with a knife. Pretty much since Goldeneye. It's quiet, requires a lot of skill, and has a sort of prestige to it. Hell, Battlefield 3 gave you dogtags for knifing a guy instead of shooting them. It was hard as hell and required a lot of skill.

Modern warfare is meant to defeat the enemy from a distance, the farther the better.

Not always. Quiet is good too. There are plenty of opportunities where a knife is preferable. Special Ops in particular. A glowing one, on the other hand...probably not.

Real "modern warfare" is blowing them up from a distance, preferably with a drone. Asymmetric war at its finest.

[lelouch]

You mean the character that's obviously Kirito's GGO avatar?

LOL I'm an idiot, I didn't catch that. I wish they didn't do that...

On the other hand I'm not in the habit of playing games that try to emphasize gun fights but actually allow somebody to ace them with a blade.

You're not a fan of the Halo series? You're certainly in the minority there.

[KrayZ33]

I wouldn't know since I've only seen this first episode, and the only "fight" we saw was a sniper sniping some careless dude.

Either I'm missing something or you are being dense, you talk about Kirito using blades and the only time we see him doing that is during the ED and there were several fighting scenes showing why melee combat is relevant and that this game is not about realism. Its a GAME, the show is about a GAME, they could add shields, people have HP, weapons do DAMAGE and are not 100% lethal, they spec into AGI which increases your Evasion-rating

On the other hand I'm not in the habit of playing games that try to emphasize gun fights but actually allow somebody to ace them with a blade. That would sound like a game that doesn't know what it wants to be and wouldn't make any serious people happy

its an MMORPG with *BUILDS*, there was a dude dual-wielding pistols.. its not counter-strike and its not battlefield, if perks and skills allow it, even a baseball bat is viable.. and during the ED, we've already seen why a blade can be useful too.


you are totally off-track. And that part about it "being a game that doesn't know what it wants to be" is utter bollocks too.

[Kraco]

Lots of games allow you to kill someone with a knife. Pretty much since Goldeneye. It's quiet, requires a lot of skill, and has a sort of prestige to it. Hell, Battlefield 3 gave you dogtags for knifing a guy instead of shooting them. It was hard as hell and required a lot of skill.

Yeah, and I wish Arma allowed that too. But you sure as hell won't be acing a game with that unless you choose your missions, enemies, and encounters so exceptionally carefully that nobody probably will even hear of you. There's a huge difference between using a knife when appropriate, otherwise the gun, and only using a knife when everybody else serious is using guns with likely proper tactics. War doesn't miss one man these days. Any grunt with an assault rifle is far more dangerous than the most fit, trained, and well equipped knight of the times long gone.

The jedi in Star Wars managed well enough with lightsabers because they had the magical force powers. Is Kirito supposed to have such? Why would the game allow such? Even if he hacked the game, it should be a proper game with proper admins this time and when somebody runs around deflecting bullets or dodging them, it should gather the server staff's attention.

[KrayZ33]

The jedi in Star Wars managed well enough with lightsabers because they had the magical force powers. Is Kirito supposed to have such? Why would the game allow such?

because its a freaking MMORPG, holy crap. *screams internally*

[MasterOfMoogles]

They haven't even had a chance to explain anything about the game yet, why are people already angry at it?
Maybe if they had even explained anything about the game at all and people didn't like it, that would be reasonable. So far the only thing they've told us is that it is basically an MMORPG with guns.

If I wanted to hate on this episode, I would be talking about the nonsense discussion Kirito and Asuna have in the Imperial Garden.
"Aincrad is like a space-time plane" wtf? lol... I don't even know what they were going for here.

I was kind of shocked they got Kamiya Hiroshi to voice Zexsceed (sp?) and then offed him in the first few minutes!

[lelouch]

because its a freaking MMORPG, holy crap. *screams internally*

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Speaking of MMORPGs and Accel World, are they ever planning to do a S2 of Accel World? It's been like 2+ years now. Also Valvrave - did they just drop that or is the next season still in production?

[Ryllharu]

Off topic, but Valvrave is done. Two cours and that's all there is.

I desperately wish there was an Accel World 2. That series proves the author know how to present some interesting ideas. The LNs aren't exactly well written, but I still like it more than SAO.

[lelouch]

Off topic, but Valvrave is done. Two cours and that's all there is.

Wait what? There was never any conclusion? I know it's off-topic, sorry about that. I don't know how to move this conversation mid-conversation.

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Nevermind, apparantly I am an idiot. I forgot to watch the last episode LOL

I desperately wish there was an Accel World 2. That series proves the author know how to present some interesting ideas. The LNs aren't exactly well written, but I still like it more than SAO.

I certainly liked accel world but I have no idea how you can like it more than SAO. The protagonist is a fat chumpy kid who probably qualifies as one of my least favorite characters of any show. There's also lack of any real storyline, and there were almost no scenes where I went "wow that was awesome". I think the only one was where fatty activated "Gale Thruster", and still that scene doesn't match up (at least for me personally) to the Kirito v. Heathcliff stadium dual or the Kirito v. Fire Lord sky battle

[DarthEnderX]

If it's a game about guns, there should be no reason to make it so unrealistic a swordsman would have a chance there. There's a reason why you see soldiers carrying swords only in parades and official ceremonies these days, you know.

Tell that to every Call of Duty player that runs around knifing people. Or every Halo player that uses a power sword.

Not only is it an anime, it's a fucking video game inside an anime. Trying to impose realism is nonsense.

EDIT: Oh wait, there was a whole 'nother page of people saying how stupid this was. Nevermind.

It's 21 feet (6.5 meters).

The 21 foot rule really doesn't apply to people with their guns out in a combat situation. It's the distance it takes to first identify an incoming threat, draw your weapon, and fire.

[Penner]

So I'm up to episode 11 now where they just decided to get married and get a house together on floor 22 or some such.

I'm going to assume that this is where the show starts going downhill? lol

[Buffalobiian]

So I'm up to episode 11 now where they just decided to get married and get a house together on floor 22 or some such.

I'm going to assume that this is where the show starts going downhill? lol

It's hard to say. The definite point is where the 2nd VR game starts.

[shinta|hikari]

Spoiler:

You just spoiled him with that comment.

[Ryllharu]

a) It's been two years.
b) He's in a thread where we're talking about the second season.

No sympathy from me. "Spoilers" about the episodes don't count after the episodes have aired and are even out on bluray. Gotwoot's rules have always been clear that once it is subbed it's fair game.

[shinta|hikari]

I'm not saying it's against the rules. I'm saying, please be nice and don't spoil. I know I would not like it.

[DarthEnderX]

I'm going to assume that this is where the show starts going downhill? lol

That's where it did for me.

[Penner]

Hmm... just finished the last ep of SAO "season 1", and I'm not gonna lie, this did not turn out anywhere near as bad as i thought it would.

From what i had heard/read i was expecting this series to, at some point, take a nosedive down into complete crap, but to my surprise i actually enjoyed it all the way through.

A big part of that might be because i watched all of it over a relatively short timespan instead of just one episode per week, so that way the pacing and stuff was probably alot better in my experience.

Anyway, i was pleasantly surprised.

[shinta|hikari]

A lot of people exaggerated when rating this because of the hype.