Kirito's been with his harem for a while now. I'm pretty sure touching girls is as easy as breathing air to him.
I think shooting the killer instead of the victim is usually the logical course of action, especially since they didn't know Death Gun would dodge it.Originally Posted by Munsu
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They should have suspected DG knew they were there, and knowing that, would be cautious. They had been there for a good long while, even talking much of the time. It's just another of their assumptions, just like assuming DG will be in the city and thus that the only person there, whom Sinon didn't know, would be DG. Add to that assuming their plan to corner the target would work. That's such a long row of assumptions in a deadly situation that it's not going to be any good unless some of them weren't, and Kirito's using Sinon as a bait, like I said before.
But then again, I suppose Kirito is the kind of naive guy who's always running forward without thinking, steadfastly believing the fortune will always favour the just cause.
That's why I thought at that moment that maybe Kirito should have asked to shoot PR instead of DG.
But maybe the game's dead state does not protect you at all, just an idea. It might be you need to be fully disconnected.
All the things I really like to do are either illegal, immoral, or fattening. And then: Golf.
It is a far larger assumption to think that shooting the victim will save them.
Peace.
I agree on that. Better to shoot at DG. What I don't agree on is wondering why Sinon didn't hit. In the first place Kirito himself has been shot at by Sinon, yet he's still standing there, among the remaining members in the contest. You'd think a person agile enough to dodge and deflect bullets wouldn't be surprised and left helpless if somebody else does the same. So, why didn't Kirito jump up and start running the moment Sinon pulled the trigger? DG would still have had enough time to shoot the Pale dude, but perhaps he wouldn't have, seeing Kirito running down the hill. Either way, Kirito would have actually tried to do something even if he had failed.
He's clearly not taking this seriously at all. I have to say I don't wonder why DG plans to bring back the Kirito who does take things seriously by slaying Sinon. Though someone here suspects DG is nothing but a cheater, but based on his behavior and performance in this battle alone, he's more professional than Kirito and Sinon combined. He might actually be looking forward to having a tough duel with the legendary figure from SAO. That doesn't mean he wouldn't be a cheater, but perhaps he's also a beater.
The difference there is that Kirito was aware of Sinon and knew the shot was coming.
Realistically at least, there's no reason they should have thought Death Gun knew they were there. And if he didn't know they were there, it should have been impossible for him to dodge that shot.
Of course, if Death Gun IS cheating, it either allowed him to know they were there, or it allowed him to dodge a shot he had no idea was coming.
That's actually probably the best way to deal with Death Gun.
Kirito can deflect fully automatic weapons. The Death Gun seems to just be a pistol, so Kirito should be able to EASILY charge Death Gun, deflecting any incoming shots.
Of course, that's assuming that the gun that can kill people through TV screens can't also kill someone through a light saber. But then, the intro kinda already spoils the fact that that's not the case.
Last edited by DarthEnderX; Mon, 09-01-2014 at 12:14 AM.
That's exactly where I disagree. You say realistically they shouldn't have expected Death Gun to know. That might be the case as long as they aren't taking him seriously. But if Kirito (let's forget Sinon for now since she's only playing a game) had taken this murderer seriously, yes, apparently there's a reason to tell somebody to take a murderer seriously, then he wouldn't have assumed Death Gun doesn't know but instead that he might know. That's how it goes. When you play a game, you think overly optimistically, it's just a game, after all. But when you are cornering a deathly opponent in RL (which this would equal with its real death), you think of everything that could go wrong. Not that I'd be any expert, but this seems like common sense.
Besides, they had been observing the bridge from that same spot for a good long while. It wasn't a particularly covered spot either (Sinon pretty much admitted as much by thinking Dyne should check his six o'clock), plus Kirito actually assaulted Sinon right there. They had talked all the time, no, make that talked and shouted. If Death Gun had been observing the area for a bit before walking in (he's a sniper, after all), he would have noticed those two easily. He wouldn't even have needed to cheat. Besides, Sinon already has some kind of special vision, maybe night vision, so who knows, DG might have even thermal imaging in that skull mask... He's leaking coolant every now and then!
I don't think Kirito running down to save Pale Rider would have made much of a difference. He was too far away. Death Gun had his gun aimed at the guy. He was being all theatrical, but who knows if that is even necessary. He could shoot Pale Rider the moment he sees Kirito running down, then shoot Kirito or run away afterwards. Kirito himself said in this episode that they should avoid getting hit at all costs. Wantonly raiding the guy while he is holding his weapon is the complete opposite of that.
Peace.
Does that even matter though? DG might have seen us.. so the shot won't work.. So let's not shoot because it'll be futile anyway? You give it a shot, and if it fails then it fails. Evaluating that would actually add in time for hesitation. If DG hasn't shown signs that he knows where they are, you might as well assume he doesn't.
After all, assuming that he does won't get you anywhere.
(this is assuming no one seriously considered shooting Pale in order to save him)
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Like I said before, Kirito should have charged himself the moment Sinon shot, not counting on that proxy shot to solve everything.
Since the dude's avatar would still remain there, only labelled Dead, Killed, or whatever it was, I wouldn't count on it. Kirito hasn't ever even died in this game, so he wouldn't necessarily know if the player is still linked to the corpse. Or if the corpse is basically just a static object and the player is already in the lobby or something, watching the games with the audience. He surely didn't have time to think about it. Stopping DG seemed like a better chance. Only Kirito wasn't taking this seriously and thus naturally failed when the opponent is literally deadly serious.
You guys are overthinking this way too much.
Kirito realized Death Gun was going to kill him for real and had approximately 2 seconds to think about what to do. The natural move for anyone is to try to shoot Death Gun.
I don't think your expectation that Kirito should have immediately taken off running towards a target he had no hope of reaching and every expectation it would be dealt with is reasonable.
In fact, moving early could potentially give away their position. He would need to wait for the shot to be fired. At that point, you would also be unable to stop yourself from waiting to see the result.
He looks like he is taking it pretty seriously to me. He can't be perfect and predict every possible scenario, though.
No hope of reaching? How do you know that? Only Death Gun would have known that, because he would have been the one making the decision. Pale Dude could have been shot in any case, only Death Gun knows, but at least Kirito might have had a chance of stopping DG before the next victim (who turned out to be Sinon, like I've been suggesting for a while because associating with Kirito raises her worth as a target. DG happens to possess a shared history with Kirito, after all).
Uh... Right. Kirito has been doing nothing but dodging and deflecting bullets as long as he's been in this game, so it's totally reasonable to expect nobody else would dodge a bullet? I don't think so. Kirito is doing it so naturally, like there's nothing strange about it, that he surely wouldn't expect nobody else to be capable of the same. Especially when he knows DG is also from a sword fighting game.
AGAIN, Kirito has always been aware of that incoming fire.
Kirito has never dodged a shot taken by a sniper from a hidden location. Because there's nothing to dodge.
And, again, there's no reason Death Gun should have been able to know the shot was incoming. In fact, the fact that Sinon's shot DIDN'T have a beam on it means that her position hadn't been revealed yet.
So...again, we're back to Death Gun using cheats, or at the very least, having a ton of points in stats nobody is aware of the effects of or something.
Death Gun was aware of the incoming fire. How else would he have dodged? What's the argument supposed to be about? I'm trying to state the most obvious explanation, that DG knew they were there and thus was able to dodge like, for example, Kirito would have also dodged in that position.
Yeah, because he has never fought in a fight where a serious sniper would have tried to snipe him. Sinon lost her cool and was aiming at an object next to him. Proves absolutely nothing.
I don't think you see your own beams, do you? We have no idea what Death Gun was seeing there. We have never got his point of view during combat.
Who knows. So far we haven't seen anything else that would necessarily need to be cheating but the deadly pistol itself.
Because he's cheating.
So HOW exactly would he dodge a sniper shot?
Kirito dodges shots either by the beam, or by his targets eyes. The first shot of a sniper gives the target neither of those things, so dodging should be impossible.
I was under the impression that those are visible everyone.
Well, again, the fact that nobody seemed to acknowledge the fact that it's possible to be wearing a cloaking device leads one to believe that it's not just a piece of equipment.
Sinon came to the conclusion that DG already saw her, and thus her position was compromised. A shot fired from a compromised sniper, first or not, will be preceded by an assist-line. If they were visible to all, then Sinon would not have come to that conclusion. She very specifically said it was a system assist (aka assist-lines).
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I don't remember this.
What Buff said.
I'm surprised people are seriously arguing against Kirito rushing a player with a real lethal weapon from a sniping position.
Peace.
If Kirito was really concerned about the lethal weapon, he would have logged out already, ongoing contest or not, and called the official to handle his own mess. or rather, do his own job. But as it is, he's probably counting on his ability to deal with a simple semi-automatic pistol considering he has no troubles dodging and deflecting fire from an assault rifle. Looking at how they strolled like a couple from the bridge to the city without bothering to fear ambushes, it's actually certain he counts of his ability. If he fears something, it's his own memories and his inability to deal with them. If he did have a reason not to charge forth, I'd say that was it, not believing Sinon would do his work for him. He's not ready to face Death Gun, and I don't really blame him. One of them has a deadly gun, the other a toy sword, as far as RL goes... I hope this job pays really well!
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