You didn't like the minigun guy having an orgasm trying to elevate his gun (which he somehow could not manage)?
I'm shocked, truly shocked.
You didn't like the minigun guy having an orgasm trying to elevate his gun (which he somehow could not manage)?
I'm shocked, truly shocked.
I don't really want to get in an argument since it is pointless, but I just can't resist saying something.
There's a reason miniguns are almost always mounted in real life, you know?
I don't even think Master Chief can aim the minigun straight up.
And of course... it is a video game.
They're mounted because it is faster to move while sweeping to the left or right mounted, because they're usually on a helicopter or other vehicle which is in motion. Not because they're heavy.
Realism is out the window the moment one can jump out of a building with a 20+ lbs rifle and even pretend it can be shot accurately while falling.
And yes, they make tiny miniguns that still fire full 7.62. They're pretty adorable. The reason you never see people shooting miniguns upward while handheld (or mounted) is because it is really unsafe and stupid, not because they can't do it. That's 50 rounds downrange in a second, flying through the air, hitting god knows where. That's why you never see people do it.
Interesting info. That mini-mini gun is pretty cool.
I still don't see why it is such a big problem when there are actual video games that don't let you do this though.
Because if Sinon is allowed to do stupid shit like that using "because it is a game" logic, minigun dude should have also been allowed to do stupid shit like that, and shot her easily.
I don't see why it is so hard to believe there could be a video game that lets you jump off a building and shoot someone but also has a maximum vertical range on a minigun.
Maybe its just because I've played games (like Halo) where this isn't that unreasonable.
EDIT:
This made me want to look up some videos, and I found this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bg2LA3k29k
Pretty amazing snipe.
While I'm we're talking about crazy video game moments, this is one of my favorites:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrOIgxQ--Tc
Yeah I really don't get it. In Halo 3 - Valhalla Map I would fly off the base ramp and snipe people while in mid-air all the time. Do none of you play Halo? Also in games like Day of Defeat, if you don't mount your machine gun it makes it very difficult to aim, so it's reasonable the big guy had some difficulty. None of this is unrealistic for a game, get over it.
The only part that really turned me off was when the crew leader started bitching about dying, like it's his first day playing and he's 5 years old and doesn't understand that you die all the time in video games. IMO that was the most unrealistic part - they really had no business putting something like that in there. Also the fact that Sinon was surprised to see someone smiling when playing a video game. Has she really never seen someone smiling while playing a game? Is this her first day playing PvP as well?
Generally in a MMO, if you log out in a combat area you are still there for X amount of seconds.
So really, he would be dying either way. Sinon was chewing him out for being a pussy about it.
Granted, getting shot in a VR game is probably still pretty scary.
I hate to break it to you both, but Halo isn't even a remotely realistic shooter in terms of mechanics, and GGO clearly is trying to be, laser guns and swords aside. Halo is also one of the "slowest" shooters when compared to most PC shooters. That makes it much easier to aim and shoot a sniper rifle from the air. Not to mention the game has auto-aim because it is on consoles.
You'd never be able to do that in Unreal Tournament without an aimbot. Hell, you can barely do it in Fallout (can't use VATS in midair).
...said no one, ever. Where in the high-HP, jumping-off-building capabilities, laser guns and swords, seeing trajectory paths and sniping mid air do you think GGO is trying to be realistic and not more like Halo? It's exactly like Halo. Just because you say GGO is trying to be a realistic shooter doesn't make it so. I expect to see you on Halo threads talking about how it's failing at being a realistic FPS, or on World of Warcraft threads saying it's unrealistic because people can't do magic and giant horse-people can't speak english...or exist.Originally Posted by Ryllharu
Ohh yeah okay that makes a lot more sense now. I never played EQ so I didn't think about that kind of functionality. That makes me feel better about that scene then. Still don't get the "he's smiling" shit though.
Homing .50 bullets are coming to real life. Soon, video games that will ask for precise shooting will be a thing of the past.
http://www.engadget.com/2014/07/13/d...t-bullet-demo/
All the things I really like to do are either illegal, immoral, or fattening. And then: Golf.
On to my next problem with this episode: Silica getting molested by tentacles...again.
Also the fact that we'll be on the 3rd or 4th episode before Kirito actually starts the game.
what...?You'd never be able to do that in Unreal Tournament without an aimbot.
the fact aside that it was pretty much point blank range in this episode, what makes you think that?
and why are you ignoring the BF video and how is GGO trying to be "realistic" (by today's standards) from what we've seen so far
ep2 was great, the only thing that bothered me is that Kirito keeps playing Alfheim (or whatever it was called), I want him to start the new game... it takes way to long
maybe you should just leave?Anybody who thought the conclusion of Sinon jumping from the building and avoiding all the minigun bullets, then shooting the dude from midair was cool should jump themselves from a high place
ITT: people that obviously never played games or were at least not even remotely good in them complain about a show - about a game being a game
Last edited by KrayZ33; Sun, 07-13-2014 at 07:58 AM.
Holy shit.
I know this wasn't aimed at me, but chill the fuck out.
I'm taken aback by how two or three of the SAO LN legion flock to defend even the most minor of criticism directed at it. Given that there are maybe...25 active forum posters here these days, that's alarming. It's not just on our forum either. Any criticism on an anime forum of SAO gets immediately jumped on by LN fans. It's as pathetic as it is creepy.
Lots of shows get criticized. Shinta went on an anti-shoujo trope rampage in the Soredemo thread, most of his points valid. Mahouka deservedly gets criticized because it is incredibly dull and lacking any tension. Attack on Titan had its critics. But for some reason, SAO has the cult-like defense squad.
Among a horrifically bad season, SAO is one of the better series airing. But it's not perfect. The show has problems. We're pointing them out. It's not something to flip out over.
I know it was aimed at me, but I've already explained that in my wishful thinking I interpreted the scenes of the first episode in a way that made me think it's a relatively serious gun fighting simulator, not a simple-minded shooter. I believe it's not unreasonable to be disappointed when the second episode proved it was, after all, just a cheap SAO derivative with guns and laser rifles thrown in. Believe me of not, but I'd have badmouthed this far less if it was more like a VR version of Arma, perhaps with some RPG elements included to make character development more concrete.
Whilst I dislike many (too many) things about SAO, I will still watch this till the end for the high production values alone. Unlike Ryll, I also enjoy the fact there are genuine fans here who will oppose my unfairly hard criticism. I have probably been in that role myself with some other shows.
To be fair, any attempt to argue realism is a REALLY dumb criticism.
Last I checked, Arma doesn't have giant fire beam shooting monsters in it...
Obviously, since it's a game where you can detect incoming fire and dodge, it makes total sense.
Less range for the bullet to travel=less time to dodge.
Hence, why the shot at close range took his visor off instead of easily being side-stepped.
Very true. But she also obviously has some kind of psychological issue. Once she saw him smiling(which, yeah, don't know why that's weird, guy is playing a video game and kicking ass, you SHOULD be smiling, or else why play?), she was insistent that she kill him. I don't know if she hates smiling guys, or she thinks defeating smiling guys will unlock the secrets of happiness, but she obviously wasn't willing to play support after that happened.
You say that, but have you never seen one of those fat sacks of shit on a livestream break down into tears on a raid wipe before? It happens. There are people who are just that lame.
Yeah, because they couldn't possibly just be playing for fun or anything. That's why everyone plays Minecraft right? For progression?
I swear, you people must be the most miserable fucks to play video games with.
Last edited by DarthEnderX; Sun, 07-13-2014 at 03:04 PM.
Am I the only one who found it interesting that this game seemingly lets you SEE bullet trajectories? That plus agility gives you doable dodging right there.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
its not about defending SAO its about your bullshitting for the sake of bullshitting, thats not criticism...(especially since all gaming relevant criticism so far was horribly wrong)
and I'm not even aware who read the LN here, I didn't (the only LN I ever read was SNAFU) and I doubt Darthender did.
it isn't exclusive to SAO either...
Did you guys ever watch a movie with other people? I really doubt that and if anyone ever did, they probably won't do it again...
"Oh look, Expendables is horrible, see how they flew right into the bad guys hideout with their plane? pathetic... what a horrible movie"
WHO WOULD'VE GUESSED THAT IT ISN'T REALISTIC, RIGHT?! THX FOR POINTING IT OUT!
I'm all for pointing out mistakes and plotholes and inconsistency, but please don't make them up like you guys did in the last few posts. *that's* pathetic..
reminds me of the first episode of Mekakucity Actors where Ene(?) pointed out that the dude is making shit up on internet forums like "I used to work for the anime industry"
Last edited by KrayZ33; Sun, 07-13-2014 at 10:00 AM.
thx @Kraco, saves me some work. WOW was that bad.
First of all, I donīt get what makes Sinon such a famous, great sniper. That monster she killed just stood there. Anybody with a sniper rifle could have done that. Also, real (lol) videogames never allow such play. Sniping a boss to death? No, even if you can use long-range weapons at all, youīre bound to running around all over the place to evade the bossī attacks. This one stood there and was out after a few shots ... which is realistic, but not impressive.
One of my biggest gripes with this episode, though: Sinon kills the first guy, tries to hit the cloak guy, misses ... and stops. And gives up. And, to top all this stupidity off, APPROACHES the opponents. Yes, decreasing the distance between yourself and the enemy makes total sense for a FUCKING SNIPER! argh. And before anyone writes "well, cloak guy was clearly able to dodge her attacks and knew about her position": He dodges ONE bullet. And even if he had continued to doge, Sinon would have at least kept him from attacking the other guys, averting his attention to her, thus opening chances for an attack of their own. The way she acted was ANTI-support.
Then the "leader" being all scared when he lost hope. WHY was he scared? Moreover, he himself saif "itīs just a game". Fucking L O L. Yes, its just a game, so please scream and cry like some spineless douche. Even if there is some heavy punishment for dying in-game, his behavior was too out-of-place. And then thereīs the fact that IF there was a high penalty for dying, any game like that would NOT let you log out just when itīs getting dangerous for yourself. If that were possible, everyone would always just log out before dying, thus creating a shitty quitter-game. Reminds me of the times in Mario Kart DS, where quitting a game would have no negative impact on your score.
And what was it about "winning" anyway? The leader sacrificed himself to throw a grenade into the enemy group. Why? He made the conscious effort to hire Sinon, yet by being offed, he wonīt get any loot. Since it is "just a game", none of this made any sense.
The resonable complaints about the end scene between Sinon and cloak guy were already explained by Kraco.
And Silica and the girls need to get a life asap. Wasting your time in a game that has been made open to hacking and adding stuff at random, thus taking away any sort of relevance for looting and leveling, is idiotic.
Closing comment: Iīm 100% sure the author/production team made up the "Heīs strong enough to smile on the battlefield"-line only to troll everybody. Wow, that line is so dumb, it makes my brains hurt. Fuck, I cannot get over just HOW dumb it is. Arfghg
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
That was a rather lackluster episode. Maybe if they explained WHY they didn't want to die, it might have given me more excitement but since they didn't. All I can think of is that it's only a game and they were PKing. Of course there is going to be a risk of being killed. I guess I just didn't feel the tension they were trying to build.
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