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    Ok, at last they have a BETA battle sim. But why is that there's no laser class?
    Yui was right, this is nothing more than a child's game compared to the real deal.

    Regarding Japanese TSFs, I suppose the explanation we'll get is that only teenage girls can pilot so finely reactive gear. That would explain why Japanese mainly train girls. Also, I suppose the trade off for extreme manoeuvrability is less power. Explaining why the girls were not able to escape quicker.

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    My issue is that Yuuya complains that the Japanese models are overly sensitive. He's a fine pilot of any model made elsewhere. Yui claims that somehow proves he sucks, but that doesn't directly counter that the Japanese models are bad. Just because half-trained Japanese girls can pilot overly sensitive TSFs doesn't make the hardware superior, it can just as easily mean that their pilots waste extra time learning to use overly complex control systems for (obviously) little gain. Why does the Japanese model not have sensitivity adjustment? Bad design again.

    edit: Yui also makes the claim that older generations fended off the BETA with worse models. Great, newer models don't always mean better. Look at the F-22. Pilots hate it and refuse to fly it. Yui proved that Yuuya isn't the hot shot he thinks he is, but she didn't prove that the Japanese model doesn't suck.
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    Even with the battle sim, there weren't any laser classes, but all four of them stuck to the ground completely while in combat, so they at least pretended there could have been some.

    To me, that just proves that the Japanese military sucks. Four trained pilots had little difficulty fending off the huge numbers of AI BETA, even when one of them had a little hissy fit and became useless. Oh, but we can always claim that real BETA are much harder. Like David said, if they're going to do that, Yui actually is right, and there's no point to this at all.


    At least next episode we'll finally get to see Yui put up or shut up. It's just too bad they'll make her win easily, that I'm sure of. I'd rather see Stella fight Yui, since the creators would at least pretend to make it fair. But I bet that Cryska and Inia could kick her ass with no effort.
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    I think they are going to let Yui win, but not easily. This battle may serve as a chance for Yui and Yuuya to understand each other, even a little bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryll
    To me, that just proves that the Japanese military sucks. Four trained pilots had little difficulty fending off the huge numbers of AI BETA, even when one of them had a little hissy fit and became useless. Oh, but we can always claim that real BETA are much harder. Like David said, if they're going to do that, Yui actually is right, and there's no point to this at all.
    Don't forget that these are supposedly aces from around the world. They're not representative of normal grunts.

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    In the version that you guys watched, did Yui say that Yuuya lacked "talent"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by shinta|hikari View Post
    In the version that you guys watched, did Yui say that Yuuya lacked "talent"?
    yes. HS did say that.

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    When I was reading the subtitles before she spoke I was expecting the word she was gonna use was "sai-no" but she used some other word.

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    She said "mijuku" which means inexperienced. What she says is accurate, because Yuuya was surprised at the number of Beta that appeared in the simulation, when in fact that number is normal or even less than what appears in Japan.

    I don't think Yui is stupid enough to label an elite pilot as untalented.
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    I guess no one had a problem with the blatant caricature of American life they depicted Yuuya having as well as how they look to be setting up to make 'Japaneseness' the most glorious state of being ever. Additionally if the Japanese chick has such a rage wettie for Yuuya a) why the hell is he there in the first place and b) if she didn't have a choice in his selection why is she being a twat rather than helping him. If he needs help to learn to control their apparently fly by no wire mecha maybe she should take him out and show him some of the finer points of the Japanese design considerations rather than smirking cryptically and insulting him all the time.

    Also, really? the little russian prodigy girl lives in a top secret base full of armed guards but doesn't pass a single one between a publicly accessible tarmac and her living quarters who might question the random unauthorized guest she's showing around... contrived, contrived, contrived, I kind of hope this show gets better, but at this point I'm just banking on the mecha action being entertaining and letting my eyes go unfocused during the dialogue.

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    Yeah, I didn't even want to comment the troll food about races and underlying racism/nationalism in that show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuki
    I guess no one had a problem with the blatant caricature of American life they depicted Yuuya having as well as how they look to be setting up to make 'Japaneseness' the most glorious state of being ever.
    No problems here. I think I secretly enjoy it. Kind of like revenge for some childhood racism I've felt from white kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryllharu View Post
    My issue is that Yuuya complains that the Japanese models are overly sensitive. He's a fine pilot of any model made elsewhere. Yui claims that somehow proves he sucks, but that doesn't directly counter that the Japanese models are bad. Just because half-trained Japanese girls can pilot overly sensitive TSFs doesn't make the hardware superior, it can just as easily mean that their pilots waste extra time learning to use overly complex control systems for (obviously) little gain. Why does the Japanese model not have sensitivity adjustment? Bad design again.

    edit: Yui also makes the claim that older generations fended off the BETA with worse models. Great, newer models don't always mean better. Look at the F-22. Pilots hate it and refuse to fly it. Yui proved that Yuuya isn't the hot shot he thinks he is, but she didn't prove that the Japanese model doesn't suck.
    I don't really feel like defending this annoying show, but since they are trying to develop something new by combining technologies and design ideologies, I reckon the final product will have the power from American/European(?) models and maneuverability from the Japanese model. Since the dude is already used to stiff power, he now needs to get used to quick movements. It's not like there'd be anything bad, per se, in being able to react fast, yet it would probably feel alien to a person used to a tank. However, since we are talking about Yuuya, the actual problems are inside his head, nowhere else. Too bad he lets the bitch, Yui, get inside that troubled head as well.

    What comes to the reason why Yui is there in the first place, I bet it has everything to do with her family, connections, and whatever other external things always decide a person's fate in the glorious Japanese culture, as opposed to her personal suitability to the delicate mission, since she shows very little of that.

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    It's 100% her family. They said in episode 1 that her father helped to design some of the Japanese TSFs. Certainly the ones Yui and her long-dead friends were using.

    That's also why she's a member of the Imperial Royal Guard at all, and gets to wear a special colored plugsuit. So while I'm sure she's overworked herself half to death to meet up with those expectations...raw skill isn't a factor. Yui's benefits are all hereditary.

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    So she is constantly bashing him because praising him that he is mastering the TSF at a rather fast pace is something that she can't do because it's not enough? I think it's funny that she insults him that he is an embarrassment as a Japanese and then in this episode she says he's American. Make up your mind woman.

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    Why do I feel like these eps are fillers?
    Maybe because Yuuya will experience the loss of his comrades like Yui did in ep2?
    Surprisingly, they were really weak against Yui.
    Yuuya did show the usual shonen last second master skills, but that's clear insufficient as Yui said.
    Their simulations really are too easy. They'd need tens of years to get to average combat skills, during that time beta would evolve and wipe the earth.

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    For all the trouble and understanding that they preached before about understanding the Japanese TSF, the "sudden learning" part of it was a real mood-killer. Don't just make something "hard to understand", then dish out an "oh, I got it!" and leave it with that.

    The ideology part of it was fun.. how the "Japanese way" was to adapt yourself so you can fit in with your environment, while the "American way" was to manipulate your environment such that it fits yourself. I don't have an opinion on how truthful such statements are, but I'm glad that they at least gave us an explanation after all the "they run on different philosophies" stuff from the past eps.

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    Yuuya didn't just get it. He managed to get a glimpse of it while in a critical situation, and it took him some time to even get to that point, time that Beta will never give him in actual combat. He even said that he still needed to master it in order to become stronger. In other words, he was lucky and Yui let him win.
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    This show with all the homer Japanese mentality is so annoying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shinta|hikari View Post
    Yuuya didn't just get it. He managed to get a glimpse of it while in a critical situation, and it took him some time to even get to that point, time that Beta will never give him in actual combat. He even said that he still needed to master it in order to become stronger. In other words, he was lucky and Yui let him win.
    I understand that part. He's far from perfecting it.

    My gripe was the lack of explanation about what it is that he's actually grasping. The key.. the hint.. or the realisation. Just something so that we can understand how he's doing it.. not just "that was hard.. but I'm managing somehow now."

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