EPICNESS.
EPICNESS.
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I prefer the music from the previous trailers, it had a more somber and yet hopeful feel to it. I really like the misunderstood hero characterization over the boy scout persona of the original Superman.
But how does Jor-El know that Kal-el will have super powers on Earth? I think that's kind of hokey. If the people of Krypton did know that the yellow sun gives their people super powers, why wouldn't they send out their kids to different worlds with yellow suns and have them conquer those worlds? Why would he care that Kal-el will be a savior/hero to humankind on this insignificant little rock of a planet?
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
I guess you'll have to watch to find out!
The planet of krypton had an absurdly strong gravity, because of this leaving the planet wasn`t really possible. Despite their technology, only Clark managed to escape, and that was with a prototype pod.Originally Posted by Animeniax
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
Come on, that's some "invisible walls" shit laziness right there. They could at least come up with a better explanation why this race of people would be do-gooders instead of tyrants like they had on planet Vegeta before it got blowed up.
If the gravity was strong enough to defeat rocket propulsion, then it would have crushed the bodies of the fleshbags that dwelled on the planet. And before anyone argues that their aerospace program was shit, they did manage the one rocket to save Kal-el that was capable of intragalactic travel. They could at least make space ships that could travel their own solar system.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
The gravity did not crush them because they have super bodies, so they could handle it but their realitve "strenght" would be more or less the same as our on krypton. Yeah is not a good explanation, but keep in mind we`re talking about a 75 year old comic.
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
My favorite part of that is that Animeniax considers it completely implausible that anyone with power wouldn't be a monstrous tyrant, which is the same mental blind spot that prevents Lex Luthor from understanding that Clark is Superman - he cannot conceive of a person with that kind of power who would want to be a regular, good person. So basically you're as evil and stupid as a comicbook villain.
Also (in some origins of Superman, no idea if it's canon anymore, but who fucking cares really) the Kryptonians did wage war and subjugate many star systems, but at the time of Krypton's destruction had dismantled their war machine and become a very insular and rigidly structured society that had withdrawn back to their home planet.
Evil and stupid SUPER villain to you numbnuts, a meager human no less, and yet he's managed to dog and consternate Superman for decades. The only reason Clark isn't evil is because of his upbringing with the Kents, not because of his own good nature. He's a lot like Goku: if not for certain unforeseen circumstances, they'd both have destroyed/conquered Earth.
And it's basically been dumb writing that people can't see that Clark is Superman, not because of some social psychological dissonance. He puts on glasses and acts like a pussy, and that's enough to convince people he's not the same guy? Awesome writing, and kids like you accept it.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
And here I come, to the defence of superman once again. Originally, Clark has some super muscle control (which is how he manage to hand shake without pulverizing the person`s hand), with this he makes his civilian I.D FAR skinnier, he also changes his mannerism and even his eye colors. Yes, he also wear glasses but remember, there were no easy access cameras at that time, so a person that actually knows both of them up close is very rare.
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
Is this canon material or something the writers added later to make it more plausible that people wouldn't see the obvious resemblance between Clark and Supes?
Back to the new trailer, I hope there's more explanation in the movie of why Jor-el hopes his son will be the savior of humankind on Earth. In that universe, with the millions of inhabited worlds and peoples, why are we the chosen people of this super man? I really really hope the "savior" storyline isn't just so we feel extra bad when humanity treats Superman with fear and hostility. It'd be too biblical and hokey.
Last edited by Animeniax; Sun, 04-21-2013 at 03:02 AM.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Define recently.
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
Yeah only children care about what purpose a device serves in the story. Adults care about things like the in-universe justification and nerd minutiae.
Smart writing is inventing a cockamamie explanation for the character's dual life, dumb writing is using it in service of the story.
In Animeniax World.
It's hilarious how you write if off as nerd minutiae to expect a decent explanation for why people can't see the obvious resemblance between Superman and Clark Kent, yet you spend all this time citing nerd minutiae in all of your arguments in every thread.
If you really cared about the importance of purpose, you'd question why Superman even has to hide his identity as a mild-mannered news reporter, another aspect of the story that was left unexplained and expected for kids like you to swallow. They may have addressed it in more recent stories like UChessmaster mentioned, but for the first 40-50 years of his existence, they glossed over both questions. Superman's very calling and purpose is his story, not what villain he is currently fighting. His dual identity as Kent is also a large part of the story, yet somehow not worth a decent explanation of how he manages the most basic elements of his dual life (such as how he manages to conceal his dual identity). Batman and Spiderman comics addressed the dual identities of their characters. I guess Superman isn't worth another dimension to his character, because folks like you just want to see him lift cars and shoot laser beams from his eyes.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
You're posting about the physics of Kryptonian space travel, and what super power Superman uses to preserve his secret identity, and whether something is Canon Material.
I'm talking about the purpose a character's dual life serves in the story people try to tell with him.
Someone here is being a shallow child. It isn't me. Hope this helps.
Hey man like, how does Superman even fly? This is a dumb movie for little kids!
Asking why people don't figure out that Clark is Superman is like asking why the FBI hasn't caught the Joker and executed him. It betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of like, the most elementary principles of telling a story. It's as dumb a question as wondering why the people in a horror movie don't just get in their cars and drive away from the haunted house.
The important purpose is not how "realistic" Superman's secret identity is, but what it says about Superman that who he really wants to be is a guy that changes the world not just by lifting heavy objects and punching very durable aliens unconscious but by exposing corruption and spreading the truth. You're the guy scoffing at things like that as a storytelling device because you don't understand how fiction works.
Last edited by Y; Mon, 04-22-2013 at 02:36 AM.
I would have laughed so hard had they given Superman the Christian Bale Voice Grunt treatment.
And what exactly is the purpose of Superman's dual life? So he can score on news chicks in between earth-saving missions? Superman has been around for 50+ years. They've told and retold his story of saving the world and preserving peace, justice, and the American way for most of that 50 years. At some point they could address minutiae like why does he care and why does he hide behind a secret identity. According to Uchess, they have developed those stories in recent work, but the explanations remain hokey and contrived. The issue of why people don't drive away from haunted houses is almost always dealt with in the movie. They either have to spend the night to secure the inheritance or the bridge is out or they're out of gas and have to wait for the caretaker to arrive in the morning to give them a lift back to town.
Now that you mention it, I have always wondered why Superman hasn't flown to Gotham and beaten the Joker to death. You'd think with his mission to save the world and protect people that he'd take care of a mass murderer like the Joker. Oh well, I guess it's just a story device and we shouldn't think about it too hard.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
The only reason Superman doesn't rip people apart with his super strength and murder them: bad writing for kids.
In Animeniax World.
A psychopathic killer is allowed to run free and kill people at will in order to keep the superheroes clean and morally sparkling white: good writing for kids.
In Y World.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Yeah agreed. Batman is a horribly written character. No one can actually fight armed criminals every night and not get shot in the face and killed, or fight 12 people at once and win. Another Hokey Dumb Kids Book For Babies.
"A movie is not about what it is about; it is about how it goes about it."
Remember that the next time you're demanding a stupid ass explanation for why a man who can take off and fly under his own power and shoot lasers from his eyes can maintain a dual identity.
Last edited by Y; Mon, 04-22-2013 at 02:05 PM.
It's been joked about how Bats never gets shot in the face, same as Robo-cop and other masked crimefighters. That doesn't mean it doesn't warrant a better explanation, but it pales in comparison to the lack of explanation how putting on glasses and a business suit is adequate to hide your superhero identity.
A good movie is about what its about as well as how its done.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
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