Just a fun clip for all of us that loved David
And one with young Peter Weyland
Just a fun clip for all of us that loved David
And one with young Peter Weyland
Last edited by TwisT; Fri, 09-21-2012 at 11:35 PM.
Did you feel David had a big enough role in the movie that you could have that kind of attachment to him? I might have to watch the movie again, but I didn't see that the David android did anything good or bad to the point he should be iconic.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Wasn't he for sure one of the stronger if not the strongest characters in the movie? Considering it was a movie made mostly out of weak or pointless characters.
Well he did have the most screen time, but I think its hard to develop the character of an android. Anything he did was under the directive of his owner, Weyland. But as you said, the movie was indeed made almost entirely of weak and pointless characters. It's weird people would have an attachment to David, much less any of the characters.
edit: I recently rewatched Alien3 and Resurrection. Why is it that after two incredible brain-expanding works of art, most franchises turn to shit? 3 was bad, Resurrection was absolute shit. Both used the Alien franchise to sell terrible scripts with unlikeable characters, weak story lines, and a denigration of the mythos of the Alien universe and its iconic characters.
What's worse is that Joss Whedon wrote the story for Resurrection. I guess it was early in his career, or the director/producers butchered his story, but it was shameful to be associated with this movie.
Last edited by Animeniax; Sat, 09-22-2012 at 01:26 PM.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Totally have to second Animeniax's perspective on this movie. It was utterly disappointing and the second I saw the delinquent characters who jumped along for the ride(why does the crew of space voyage's always include temper-mental seemingly uninhibited members?), I knew the film was gonna end up being shyt.
It begged me to suspend my disbelief, however I just couldn't; having seen this script played out so many times before.
Tis a shame to have it associated with the Alien franchise.
Sigourney Weaver thinks the world needs another Alien movie. Maybe Prometheus was it, but without any cameo from her. She was the producer for the third and fourth movies, which were terrible. Not sure I want another movie that tries to exploit the Alien universe if it's as bad as the last 3 in this franchise.
I was the same as you, Lucifus. I wanted so bad to like this movie, trying desperately to look past the early signs of trouble that plague these movies (the angsty unruly crew). But the movie failed to deliver. It was a commercial success though, so people will see it as a "good" movie.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
I wasn't really disappointed with this movie. I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that I don't revere Alien and Aliens so much like almost everyone else.
I jumped into this movie thinking "well now I'll watch this one and they'll tell me where the Aliens come from". They did that, and now I move on with life.
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I don't think it was the Alien universe that gave me high expectations as much as it was all the positive reviews and talk from buddies and online. The last 2 Alien universe movies were terrible after all (4 if you include the AvP movies).
Prometheus fails as a movie on its own for the reasons that have been posted (weak character development, flimsy twist and overall plot).
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Long story short, my previous post about Prometheus is almost entirely incorrect.
You rewatched it and divined some hidden magic in the mess? I was going to rewatch it with similar hopes since the first watch came with a lot of hype and expectation. But then I watched Alien 3 and Resurrection and remembered that they sucked so Prometheus probably sucked as bad as I remembered.Originally Posted by Y
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
I rewatched it and got a little more satisfaction from the movie. The over-arching premise was worthwhile and compelling. The movie just fails horribly at its execution. I found so many plot holes in the storyline (might have been due to editing) that overshadow what could have been an amazing movie based on a premise that yet remains worth exploring further. They left the door open for a sequel as Shaw and David travel to the Engineer's homeworld in one of the alien ships. Hopefully if they do make another movie, it will be better written.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Apparently David and the Engineer had a 4 minute conversation in the control room, and it was supposed to be on BD. I didn't see that in my BD version though. Perhaps it was under "Deleted Scenes".
Even if they didn't have that conversation, I would have wanted to know what David said before he got his head ripped off.
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I think it's evident David told the engineer that Weyland was dying and needed help, which played into the irony of the engineers' purpose to wipe out humanity and led to the engineer attacking the group.
That being the case, I see why a 4 minute conversation between David and the engineer was cut from the movie, since one line would have had the same effect of setting the engineer off. Or did you mean that the conversation occurred earlier?
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
No, it happened right before he got decapitated. I can see why it was taken off too because it is rather inconsequential.. but I still crave a transcript out of sheer curiosity.
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I think it was cooler and scarier that the engineers didn't speak in the movie. It made them seem colder and more aloof by remaining silent, like how you deal with unruly children.
It still pisses me off how the scientists acted in the movie, particularly how mopey and upset Holloway acted before he died. They spent less than 6 hours exploring just a tiny area of the planet, decided all the engineers are dead and will provide no immediate answers, and then start acting like petulant children. They even expected to talk to their creators and ask them questions!! This from scientists who spend years and years studying minutiae and discovering nothing, now want answers and they want them now!!!
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
The only thing I got from the movie was the ancient advanced aliens, created life throughout the universe and one day decided man-kind wasnt worth the effort, as in they created us and tried to destroy us.
The whole story seemed to revolve around that planet was a planet for military weapon testng. Maybe they were trying to create the ultimate bio-weapon. Some will argue is us and other may argue is the Alien.
I think they could have directed the movie in a better way that explains that other than having some worm infect them and change/evolve in to something else, the Alien eventually. Almost seems like it took DNA from everyone/everything it infected in order to become the Alien. Sad plot if you ask me. Could have been better explained.
I don't think there was enough proof that the planet was primarily for military testing. I thought it was ridiculous that the ship captain (a grunt for all intents and purposes) deduced the purpose of the planet and the goo. Recall that they only investigated the one mound and didn't explore the remaining 99.9% of the planet. For all they knew, the advanced aliens' capital city was on the other side of the planet.
I love most of Ridley Scott's work, but he missed the mark with this movie. For all it could have been, it was so much less than that. There's talk of a second movie.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
True, but I believe "If" the capital city of the advanced aliens was on the planet, they'd have ships in orbit protecting the planet.
If they make a sequel. Lets hope they actually take a minute to explain some details or history to help piece the puzzle together. Other wise, it's just movies jumping around from story to story with no connectivity.
Well the "engineers" visited earth 30k years ago, so it's possible they died off since then and don't exist anymore. If they experiment with deadly agents like the stuff on LV-223, it's possible they wiped themselves out, same as the human race will most likely destroy itself here on earth.
Who knows, maybe the ship captain was right, maybe it was an installation planet where they stored special weapons. I just think it's ridiculous how he (a grunt) came to that conclusion and why he said it so matter of factly like there was no question about it. Then worse, the ship crew (who are there for money) sacrifice themselves to "save the world" based on what little they know of the engineers' purpose.
Prometheus did well enough in theaters to justify the studio greenlighting a sequel or two. Hopefully they concentrate on the story more with any sequel.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Doesn't that actually make sense? If it was a more informed person, he would come up with all sorts of theories and couldn't pick one without much more evidence. But an ordinary grunt will stick to his first idea and believe it's the absolute truth - unless a better alternative is crammed down his throat (literally in Alien's case).
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