Yay to extra friendliness! Oreki being able to refuse some of Chitanda's lesser requests and making her pout. /thumbs-up.
Yay to extra friendliness! Oreki being able to refuse some of Chitanda's lesser requests and making her pout. /thumbs-up.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
Aye.Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
Not a bad episode, assuming something really happens between those two before the end. Otherwise this wasn't so exciting (as if any eps of this show were), but it's kind of admirable how they could stick to the single room for (almost) the whole duration.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
Quite a low-key episode. The reverse mystery didn't much help it under those circumstances. I'd have hoped a bit more development between those two, but they certainly don't seem to be in any hurry - up to the point of not wanting to give anyone the impression they are a pair while Chitanda is performing her duties to the family. Although Oreki getting so sucked in during the formal gift giving scene that he accidentally spoke in Chitanda's place was quite funny.
All in all there wasn't much in this episode aside from seeing Chitanda and Mayaka in different clothes.
I thought it was refreshing to see a reverse mystery for once, especially after seeing how happy Fukube was for finally deducing something and being the one to do the rescuing for once.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
Yes, I also think the reverse mystery was a really interesting concept, but in my opinion there was far too little other meaningful stuff in this episode to really do it justice. The whole initiation of the dilemma was stupid beyond belief. A small shack of some 6-8 square meters and they just stood silent in the supposedly dark corner (at most two meters from the door) while somebody first closed the door and then put the beam in place. Not to mention what kind of an oaf locks the door without first looking or asking if anybody's inside. It's no fridge door forgotten open, for crying out loud.
But yeah, it most certainly made Fukube much good, to be able to figure something out successfully.
The funny thing is, Fukube's accomplishment just serves to show Oreki's capability. It was Oreki who knew that Fukube would be able to figure it out after all.
Honestly, I think Mayaka is just an idiot and anyone with a brain would have thought something was strange once the 2nd item, an empty wallet at that, was found in the same place.
Peace.
Guess that's what you'd call "having expectations"?
I'm not sure I can blame Mayaka. I would not have thought of anything when I saw the handkerchief, and I would have been stumped (but defaulted to no action) if I saw a wallet with nothing in it. It would have taken one more item for me to get off my butt to finally check out what was going on, but Fukube arrived by that time.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
Nope. Fukube himself said that "having expectations" means that you are unable to do it yourself. Oreki can of course figure it out because he was the one who had the idea of the coded message in the first place.Guess that's what you'd call "having expectations"?
Peace.
That depends on what we mean by being "unable to do it yourself".
In this case, Oreki was unable to free himself and expected Fukube to.
In the whole Juumonji thing, I thought Fukube invalidated the other guy's use of "having expectations" (in reference to Fukube catching the culprit?) because the dude was actively trying to catch the culprit. He wasn't fully expecting someone else to accomplish the task because he thought he had a possibility of being the accomplisher himself.
You can't wholeheartedly think that someone else will fulfil a task if you thought you could be the one to do it. In this case, I think Oreki knows he can't free himself (without calling out for help), and therefore expects Fukube to.
(That said.. I'm not sure how much I agree with Fukube's take on the word "expectation". Normally I use it to mean I'm reasonably sure someone can/will do something.)
edit: what's the actual word they use for "expectation"? Is it a much surer meaning than its English translation?
Last edited by Buffalobiian; Mon, 09-03-2012 at 10:23 PM.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
They use the word "kitai", but it's not really any different from the English variant. It is merely Fukube's take that is quite unique, and I thought you were referencing that usage since you put "having expectations" in quotation marks.
When I said being "unable to do it yourself", I meant in terms of capability, not the situation. Fukube tried and failed to solve the Juumonji case, so he was forced to leave it to Oreki. He realized his own limitations. Fukube's usage is about a person's potential and ability, as shown by the scenes where his insecurity surfaces. Oreki's did not have such feelings in this episode, so him asking for help from Fukube does not fit into Fukube's definition of "expectation".
Peace.
Oreki had 100% expectations when he realised Fukube had watched the same episode he had and had in fresh memory the scene with the tied... thing. A pouch with a random dirty cord tied around it means absolutely nothing without a specific expectation someone will understand the clue. Although a third lost item from the same persons and the same place should be a heavy enough clue by itself for anybody.
Mazui - Episode 21
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I'm pretty sure I would have rushed to an answer had I been Fukube. I would have wanted to steal the chocolate or at least try to sabotage it at one point, but then realise that there's no way I would be able to destroy my tracks and would just make me looking like an asshole.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
But he is an asshole.
I agree with Mayaka. I am angry at her too for liking such a jerk. Looking at Chitanda all flustered made it worse.
Peace.
I have to agree with Oreki, I don't really understand what Fukube was talking about. Especially since not so long ago he was very seriously trying to beat Oreki in detective work. That isn't overly consistent with what he was saying here. Although I suppose being inconsistent is human. Still, he was a real douche by ruining Mayaka's effots. He sounds almost as stupid as people who believe they don't have the right to be happy for whatever reason.
Aside from that depressing stuff, I wonder if Chitanda confessed to Mayaka that she likes Oreki. Being the airhead she is, she didn't give him any chocolate because of family traditions that, I'd think, don't really apply to situations like this at all.
It's the same as saying "If I don't get close to people, I won't get hurt again". It works, if you're not someone who feels sad by not being close to anyone that is.
Fukube's saying that he feels a lot better now that he doesn't give a shit about anything since when he inevitably fails to be any good at it, it won't hurt.
I'm not sure how much time's passed since the whole arc where he tried beating Oreki, but that even could have worked both ways. Fukube sounded pretty laid back since the first episode, so he probably adopted this stance back then already. The festival got him to try for something again, and confirmed his theory that he's doomed to fail at anything he tries.. and thus he's even more set on not trying anymore.
It's not too different from Oreki's run-in with Irisu - except Fukube didn't get the encouragement Oreki did from Chitanda.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
Unfortunately for Fukube he very much enjoys interacting with people. And in fact he's more sad by not getting close to Mayaka than he would be by getting closer to her. But it's indeed true that he fears how he might develop if he accepts her. However, he never struck me as a person who would do his utmost to avoid risks.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
I feel like the ending would have been much better if Oreki's line had actually happened and not only been a figment of his imagination and hopefulness. I suppose this way was more fitting for his character and the general theme of the show and it would have been a stretch if he had actually said it aloud, but, come on, a man can step away from his chosen path for a moment, once in his life. Would it really have broken this show if it had happened at the very end of the last episode? Even after 22 eps I felt his character was ambiguous anyway and even the energy saving feature had been pushed to the background in order to satisfy Chitanda's whims.
Now we got a finish where things are as always between both Fukube & Mayaka and Chitanda & Oreki are as friendly as ever but nothing important was said.
this show was awesome...
and such a cute ending.
Would've loved to see more of Irisu, she's so hot
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