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    Go watch the last episode.
    You can find the second OST here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPxbU...Yqj7jj&index=1

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    Asenshi - Episode 24


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    That was alright. It was by no means an "Everything-I-liked-about-Jormungand" summary, but it did well enough to conclude the ride.

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    Waiting on gg, no spoilers please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
    Waiting on gg, no spoilers please.
    Not technically a "spoiler" since a sub's come out (subs are decent, audio is more bass-boomy than usual), but I'm in no hurry to discuss it.

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    I know, that's why i said please.

    If there were no subs out i'd just report y'all motherfuckers and be done with it :/

  6. #126
    I like the ost more than the last episode.
    Closure yes, but It lacked that Jormungandish feel as Buff may have implied.

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    What a bland as fuck ending.

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    Happy we didn't spoil ?

    There was nothing to spoil really but this series really lacked a climatic event. R's death was more poignant than this.

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    I thought it was kind of weird that the whole world (those that figured out Koko's plan to varying degrees, which is to say - those who mattered) simply waited for Koko to press the button for 2 years. Certainly there'd be someone who didn't want this new world and tried to stop her.

    Am I to suppose that the Jorrmungand-backup was an unnecessary of the plan?

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    I thought it was a rather unimpactful ending as well, but I did appreciate that wrapped it up with both a sense of closure and a sense of an unpredictable future. Something like a final climactic gun battle with Hex or the CIA or some other group trying to kill Koko probably wouldn't have provided any sense closure since once it was over they'd just go back to doing the same old thing in the same old world they were in at the beginning. At least with the ending we got we can take away that the world Koko and Co had their adventures in ended once she pushed the button and we're left to speculate on what will become of the world and characters we got to know in the post Jormungand world.

    @Buff: I don't think they hinted at this enough but the impression I got/choose to buy into was that barely anyone on earth besides the few people we know about had any idea what Koko was up to. It did strain credulity a bit that no one put together what the disappearance/abduction of Dr. Baburin and Rabbitfoot might mean but very few people knew that Rabbitfoot was at GitMo, and then broken out, maybe the same holds true for Baburin. Bookman knew and admitted he wanted to see that other world, as for the other CIA guy Koko probably scared him silent with her demonstration of how easily she could have taken him away from his family.
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    Finally got around to watching this.

    Really liked it up until they got to the point where they explained what "the plan" was, which was incredibly stupid for all the reasons that Caspar straight up states in the final episode.

    It didn't help matters much that, as was mentioned, there was pretty much no action beyond that point either.

    But yeah, up until that point, it was like a great 22 episode series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DE
    Really liked it up until they got to the point where they explained what "the plan" was, which was incredibly stupid for all the reasons that Caspar straight up states in the final episode.
    Remind me, what were those reasons again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian View Post
    Remind me, what were those reasons again?
    Well, her plan basically boils down to "I'm going to end all war by getting rid of flight."

    Which A. Completely ignores the fact that war has existed since long before people could fly. As Caspar said, if they can't fight with planes, they'll fight with ships, if they can't fight with ships, they'll use tanks, no tanks, then swords, etc.

    And B. Her plan really only prevents computer aided flight. Jormungand is a supercomputer that hacks other computers. So you can still fly as long as you don't use a computer to do it. Last time I checked, we managed to nuke two of Japan's cities during WW2 without a plane with a computer on it.

    Her plan also seems to be based around this philosophy that people will look up at birds in the sky, realize they can't fly anymore and somehow feel shamed into not having war with each other anymore. Which is a gross misunderstanding of how people work. People didn't look at birds and feel shame, they looked at birds and felt envy, that's how we GOT flying in the first place. Unless Jormungand takes place on some kind of bizzarro earth where people are completely different.

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    Not as cut and dry as you make it seem Darth, it's not just how modern technology isn't available to them, it's how it's STILL available for Koko. Guided missiles alone would make her invincible with no suitable counter anymore.

    She didn't just start Jormungand and then stood still, her plan was having her own squad be the deterrent against the rest of the world.

    Your point A is still valid though, but you're clearly underestimating the power of an all knowing artificial brain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
    Not as cut and dry as you make it seem Darth, it's not just how modern technology isn't available to them, it's how it's STILL available for Koko. Guided missiles alone would make her invincible with no suitable counter anymore.
    Well, okay. At that point she's basically Light from Death Note then, and I no longer have any affection for the character.

    God complex. Deus Ex Machina(only, supercomputer instead of magic notepad). Going to try and force the world to be better by just killing anyone that resists.

    What's super hypocritical about her though is how she says that the people she hates most are soldiers that just blindly obey without questioning their order or thinking for themselves, and that's basically what her entire squad is made up of. You have a couple characters who seem like the MIGHT actually think for themselves, but eventually even they just suddenly go "eh, whatever! I'll just follow Koko!"


    Quote Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
    She didn't just start Jormungand and then stood still, her plan was having her own squad be the deterrent against the rest of the world.
    Well that's just silly. No amount of informational advantage is going to allow one squad to overcome the entire world.


    I did really like the portrayal of the Seal Team in the series. They spend the whole series building Koko's team up as these unrealistic badasses, and then the Seal Team comes along and they're basically these spectral demons that they can't do anything against. And even with Koko cheating the system the best they could do is get away.

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