Kind of a "white is neutral" mentality, isn't that? Also:Originally Posted by Sapphire
Jesus Christ...with regards to the “whitewashing” complaints… good stories, like Akira, should transcend race. I don’t really care what the race of any actor is, as long as he or she does a good job. besides, isn’t it kind of silly to say that cartoon characters from sci-fi Neo-Tokyo even have race?
<@Terra> he told me this, "man actually meeting terra is so fucking big", and he started crying. Then he bought me hot dogs
Sorry, I was alluding to the absurdity in that clause about "Neo-Tokyo" that Xan pointed out. And also I feel that implicitly, the cultural background of a story like Akira is pretty central to the plot.
It's basically an admission that stories with a unique cultural component or, god forbid, ones that actually integrate racial themes, just make you uncomfortable and you want the plot of a story with none of the cultural (nonwhite) baggage.
Weird since Sapphire is black.
For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?
What is weird?
"Leaving hell is not the same as entering it." - Tierce Japhrimel
Y called you a racist. I'm arguing that you are not.
For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?
I don't know how much more I'd be upset with white actors/actresses instead of the usual conglomeration of Asians filling the roles. All we need is another movie based in Japan but starring a bunch of Koreans and Chinese in the main roles, plus Ken Watanabe in a supporting role.
For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?
So... 90 Million USD to make this movie. I am guessing that alone covers the actresses and actors pay scale. Who needs an Akira movie filled with people with psychic powers and a lot of cool anime scenes that they have to flesh out. Why not spend 90 million for actors and forget the script and just hope the movie sells on the "Names" of actors alone. :P
To me, that seems exactly what they are hoping for.
Otherwise they'd be 100 % true to everything. That's my thoughts anyway.
$90 million for a movie with big name actors and a lot of special effects? They'll skimp on the writing and craft tables for sure.
For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?
What are you talking about.
Kick-Ass - 28 million
Super 8 - 50 million
Scott pilgrim - 60 million
300 - 62 million
Sucker punch - 82 million
Watchmen - 130 million
Transformers - 150 million
LOTR - 281 million ( ~93m p. film)
You guys are underestimating how much fucking money 90 million is to make a film.
Last edited by darkshadow; Fri, 01-13-2012 at 03:48 PM.
90% of the films you listed have no big name actors/actresses in them. The ones that do have the highest payrolls.
LOTR filmed in New Zealand where the value of the US dollar is higher so you get more bang for the buck.
For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?
What the fuck are you talking about?
Taken - 27 million
RED - 58 million
If you believe Garrett Hedlund, Kristin Stewart, Ken Watanabe and Helena Bonham Carter are an all star super high paid cast, then you are surely the most delusional member on this forum; when it comes to movies at least.
Heck only stewart shows up on the list of highest paid actors and that is only because her pay for twilight is stupid high, what she got for other movies is much much lower.
And your NZ comment is dumb as fuck cause that's not the point, even if LOTR cost ~120million it's still a good indication of what 30 million less is capable off.
Also next time fabricate a more accurate statistic, I might take you more serious then.
What does Taken have that would justify a higher cost? Liam Neeson? 0 special effects?
Red had high priced talent but not many special effects, at least not on the scale of a movie like Akira or Transformers.
Stewart did get paid a lot for Twilight but she accepts smaller roles for less pay for indie movies. Akira will not be an indie movie.
The NZ comment is spot on because they will have to film in NY or a soundstage set up to appear like NY, either of which is expensive. They could film in some cheaper locale, but it would need high-rise buildings and streets so it would be more expensive than the rocks and mountain vistas like in LOTR.
For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?
Just stop
Taken was shot on a bunch of locations which as you said is "expensive", it also had a bunch action setpieces like explosions which are also classified as "special effects"; if you meant "visual effects" then no, but a real explosion is always more expensive than a CG one, so I'm not exactly sure what you were trying to say there.
Also yes Liam neeson; he's a bigger star than any of the 4 in Akira combined.
But ok if you want more effects or whatever
Jumper - 85 million
Did you just already put Akira on the same level as transformers? Do you even realise how performance capture intensive the CG in transformers is? Just Optimus' transformation is probably more intense than anything tetsuo would be throwing around with his mutant arm shit....in the final few scenes of the movie.
Whatever you want to say about stewart, don't make it seem like she commands an astronomically high salary; here non indie:
Snow White - 70 million.
And no the NZ comment is still retarded, because again, and please read this time, the listed movies are to provide an indication of what 90 million can get you.
Akira won't need high tech rotating corridors, constant giant robots and explosions that fill the screen, special motion capture to power tall blue aliens, a completely artifical world called the grid or a guy in blue/red tights swinging around a big city.
It will need a red motorcycle, some nice scenery and a guy that gets better with his powers.
Akira has maybe 3 scenes that would be really CG intensive, and they would all be at the end; Tetsuo rampaging which leads into him getting shot with the orbital laser, the fucked up arm scene and the implosion thing at the end.
Well... James Cameron put all his money in to Avatar did he not? Something like 250 Million USD? It paid off. He came up with a new way to do special effects. The only big name actor(s) I guess would be Sigourney Weaver, and Giovanni Ribisi or w.e, At the time.
You want a movie that's freaking awesome, you need to spend the $ to make it.
Mind, you Avatar is an unfair comparison cause I don't think another movie will make over $1 Billion cause no production company wants to spent the $ to make $.
Can't stop until the truth is heard.
My point about a movie like Taken is that similar to Akira it will need to be filmed in an expensive city scape involving shutting down traffic, crowd control, etc. and where the American dollar won't go as far. A movie like LotR being filmed in a backwater country like NZ means significantly less money needs to be spent on that aspect of the movie, leaving more money for actors and special effects. Besides the exchange rate, costs for extras and stage hands will be less as well. If Akira is filmed in NY (which will be a necessity because of the landmarks), it will require a good portion of the budget.
I think you need to watch Akira again to refresh your memory. Pretty much half the movie is Tetsuo learning to use his powers, his hospital stay with the other experimental subjects, the destruction of the city, the raising of Akira's storage sphere, Tetsuo's metamorphosis, the nuclear explosion and the entire ending of the movie will require extensive CGI and special effects work.
For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?
How does anyone get "racist" from that? o_O
"Leaving hell is not the same as entering it." - Tierce Japhrimel
It's so cute how you don't even realize when you're being mocked.
But back to the movie, $90 million isn't too low a budget, but a movie like Akira needs a bigger one to really capture the story, what with the filming locations and special effects. That's why it is best told as an animated film and this Hollywood mess should be scrapped until the money and resources are devoted to it that it deserves.
For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?
You're such a piece of shit. You had no problem calling my opinions on child-rearing bad because I'm gay, now you're Captain Sensitive and worried about the uncomfortable racial connotations of my post? Just to reiterate, you're a worthless piece of shit.
Back on topic, has anyone seen the previews for Chronicle? It has a lot of aspects of Akira, including a troubled youth getting super powers and using them for revenge and evil. We'll get an advanced view of how that kind of movie will do in theatres.
For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?
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