Beating Children/Spanking

[Sapphire]

More videos... WOW.

[darkshadow]

http://allhiphop.com/2011/12/16/hip-...ing-to-an-end/

[XanBcoo]

How can the author of that article come to the conclusion that more kids need "Tough Love" when they just spent the entirety explaining that it did literally no good whatsoever and turned the entire ordeal into a joke?

[darkshadow]

It doesn't matter if it didn't "do any good", cause what if it did? What if that whipping could've kept him from being killed; are you really that fucking against "violence" that you wouldn't even explore that option to potentially save someone you deeply care about? I guess not, you'd probably just reason with them, see that it didn't work and give up, find the person dead the next day and cry about how you maybe could've done more.
Maybe you need to change your title to "Ghandi".

[Sapphire]

It obviously didn't work because he was obviously scared to admit that he's an actual gangbanger. Well even though he lied to avoid the beating he still got beat.

Someone who was compassionate would have gotten an admission that he was actually in a gangbanger. And then talked him out of it with words instead of IF I CATCH YOU I'LL BEAT YOUR ASS.

[darkshadow]

That is a completely unfounded assumption, how the fuck do you know if everyone else in his family didn't already do this? Seeing how it's his uncle that dished out the punishment he could've easily been like "ok this shit isn't working, the kid isn't listening at fucking all".

There is always 2 sides to any story, just because you saw a whipping doesn't fucking mean it started this way, this gangbanger shit of that dumbass kid was obviously already going on for a while.

[Sapphire]

- Uncle sees gangbanging pics on FB
- Storms after kid
- Kid goes OHSHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT IT WASNT ME
- Uncle goes FUCK YOU YOU'RE GETTING IT, TELL THEM ITS A LIE BITCH
- It's all a lie!!!!!! OMG I'm still getting beaten???? OMGGGGG
- Goes back to gangbanging because no one ever told him why it's a fucking bad idea, they just beat him
- Shot and killed

-Scenario 2-

-Kid gangbangs
-Uncle sees
-Son, I need to talk to you, gangbanging is dangerous, please take care of your life
-Kid denies it
-Uncle keeps talking compassionately until a dialogue opens
-Kid stops gangbanging because he's reasoned out in his head due to talking to a functional reseoning adult
-Kid is alive now

[darkshadow]

I'm done, there is no reasoning with someone who assumes shit and can't accept that shit went on that we didn't fucking see.

[Sapphire]

I don't understand how you think beating someone can convince someone of logic, other than discussion. Philosophers don't beat each other, they persuade each other with words.

Would you rather someone beat you for doing something they don't like, or talk you out of it?

[Kraco]

What makes you think a gangbanger listens to anybody's words? If he doesn't listen to words, he might listen to a punishment, because it forces him to evaluate his options, unlike words. If you ask me, a person prone to gangbanging already demonstrates an inclination not to obey the rules of civilization (that is, discussions and reasoning), but rather the rules of barbarism. Whether the kid stays out of gangs due to a sudden enlightement from sagacious words or due to realising his lowly place in the grand scheme of things after a beating, would both result in saving his life. However, it's unreasonable to assume this particular uncle could have Gandhied the kid out of trouble peacefully, so he tried the only way he was capable of. Either way, like the article said, he did care.

[Buffalobiian]

Someone explain to me the difference between a gangbanger and a gangster.

I'm getting results from gangbanger = gangster, pussy-gangster to gang sexer.

[Sapphire]

What makes you think a gangbanger listens to anybody's words?

Sociologically speaking, people join gangs (at least in America) for a sense of community and cohesiveness. They aren't subhuman who can't listen to words.

[MFauli]

Someone explain to me the difference between a gangbanger and a gangster.

I'm getting results from gangbanger = gangster, pussy-gangster to gang sexer.

Please be joking :/

[XanBcoo]

I'm done, there is no reasoning with someone who assumes shit and can't accept that shit went on that we didn't fucking see.

The irony hurts more than my dads beatings

What if that whipping could've kept him from being killed; are you really that fucking against "violence" that you wouldn't even explore that option to potentially save someone you deeply care about?

lololol I'm so logical because I don't assume things even though the kid actually died and the beating did absolutely no good and I'm still clinging onto the idea that it might have helped lol logical logical.

If he doesn't listen to words, he might listen to a punishment, because it forces him to evaluate his options, unlike words. If you ask me, a person prone to gangbanging already demonstrates an inclination not to obey the rules of civilization (that is, discussions and reasoning), but rather the rules of barbarism.

Hmmm...and I wonder where he might have learned that!

Ignore me, though. I'm assuming and being illogical.

[Animeniax]

There's no evidence that the beating had anything to do with the death. The kid could have tried to stay clean but got sucked into the shit and died anyway. Or he could have reacted badly to the beating and gotten more into the gangsta lifestyle, leading to his death.

[Kraco]

Yeah, this is a lone example case and can't statistically prove anything one way or another. If what his mom was telling was even close to the truth, it does suggest he at least tried, a little, to stay out of it, but in the end didn't possess the willpower or a strong enough external stimulus to override his own lack of willpower. But then again, he might also have been simply too stupid and naive; maybe he went there to tell the gang he wants out - and was let out, in the most permanent fashion.

[Sapphire]

Whatever the circumstances, it is a very sad situation.

[XanBcoo]

There's no evidence that the beating had anything to do with the death. The kid could have tried to stay clean but got sucked into the shit and died anyway. Or he could have reacted badly to the beating and gotten more into the gangsta lifestyle, leading to his death.

That's exactly my point.

What, in the end, was the point of physically punishing the dumb kid?

Because from what I see, it was just good for laughs.

[Animeniax]

In the uncle's defense, at least he paid enough attention to the kid to check his facebook page, see he was heading down a bad path, then tried to intervene. Too many parents don't take any interest in what their kids are doing, good or bad.

[XanBcoo]

Ok, sure? But was it effective? Absolutely not.

I like what this commenter said:

the kid deserved to get his ass beat no question, but posting that shit online and humiliating a teenager isnt gonna accomplish anything but making him worse, imagine the harassment he probably got at school after that tape leaked, probably made him feel he had to prove he was tough to all the kids who were fuckin with him, inadvertantly that video could have made him worse and helped lead to his death

We're not discussing whether or not the uncle cared. That's not what this thread is about. The fact that he decided to deal with it in a way that very likely exacerbated the situation supports the idea that corporal punishment is probably not the way to go about fixing things.


Huge illogical assumption incoming!

And no, we can't assume much from the video, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say that this beating wasn't a one-time occurrence. Like in many low socio-economic African American families , physical punishment was probably the norm here, and barring mental illness like psychopathy, the entire "might makes right" method is largely a learned behavior. It's not outlandish to say it's likely that the video is an accurate sample of the kid's disciplinary upbringing.

And even if it's not, the video did nothing but humiliate the kid. "Tough love" indeed.