Beating Children/Spanking

[Sapphire]

Holy FUCKING shit.

2004: Aransas County Court-At-Law Judge William Adams took a belt to his own teenage daughter as punishment for using the internet to acquire music and games that were unavailable for legal purchase at the time. She has had ataxic cerebral palsy from birth that led her to a passion for technology, which was strictly forbidden by her father's backwards views. The judge's wife was emotionally abused herself and was severely manipulated into assisting the beating and should not be blamed for any content in this video. The judge's wife has since left the marriage due to the abuse, which continues to this day, and has sincerely apologized and repented for her part and for allowing such a thing, long before this video was even revealed to exist. Judge William Adams is not fit to be anywhere near the law system if he can't even exercise fit judgement as a parent himself. Do not allow this man to ever be re-elected again. His "judgement" is a giant farce. Signed, Hillary Adams, his daughter.

[Sapphire]

More parents beating the shit out of their children in the 90s:

[XanBcoo]

It really angers me that so many of society's problems are blamed on "people not hittin they kids enough"

Half of the teachers at my school go on about it and I have to bite my tongue because apparently you're a bleeding heart wingnut liberal if you don't agree with taking your anger out violently on a human being one fourth your size.

[Animeniax]

I still believe in paddling/belt lashing as a form of discipline. Time-outs just don't work to get the kid's attention.

Also, I think we need more cartoons like G.I. Joe with their moral message at the end of each episode. Now you know... and knowing is half the battle!

Or we need mandatory military service.

[Sapphire]

You underestimate children.

[darkshadow]

A spanking still works better than stupid time-outs or trying to reason with a kid; heck animals even listen better than some of these devil children.

[Sapphire]

If you've been beating your child since the age of 2 and they're still that unruly at 6, obviously beating isn't working.

[darkshadow]

Beating is very different from spanking, beating a 2 year old will either get them hospitalised or leave marks and bruises that will have them taken away from you. But yeah if you "beat" a 2 year old and they're still unruly at 6, nothing else would've helped aside some sort of therapy.

[Sapphire]

There is no difference between beating and spanking.

[darkshadow]

beat, beat·en or beat, beat·ing, noun, adjective


verb (used with object)
1.
to strike violently or forcefully and repeatedly.

spank
1    [spangk] Show IPA

verb (used with object)
1.
to strike (a person, usually a child) with the open hand, a slipper, etc., especially on the buttocks, as in punishment.

It's very different.

[Sapphire]

You just wrote the same thing twice. Beating "with a reason" is still beating.

[darkshadow]

uhh no, spanking very clearly defines the state of the hand and the target, beating could be anything from clenched fist to a baseball bat targeting anything.
Something is no longer a spank if it doesn't produce the sharp resounding sound of a spank.

[Animeniax]

There's a big difference between the beating and spanking, as evidenced by ds's dictionary entries.

I don't think spanking should be done with something like a wire. And it shouldn't (like most things) be done out of anger. It should be used to teach and discipline.

[XanBcoo]

It should be used to teach and discipline.

What lesson is being taught?

[Animeniax]

What lesson is being taught?

Depends on the offense. But associating certain behaviors (bad ones) with pain is a good way to discourage those behaviors.

Don't get me wrong, hitting a kid for cooking is not discipline unless they've been told before not to do it, and the consequences if they do.

[Sapphire]

No it isn't. Why would you try to control someone's behavior through pain? That does not teach them reasoning. That does not teach them to be a logical human who can think for himself.

[Animeniax]

No it isn't. Why would you try to control someone's behavior through pain? That does not teach them reasoning. That does not teach them to be a logical human who can think for himself.

You can't teach kids reasoning as easily as you seem to think, they don't have the life experience or understanding to appreciate consequences. You tell them what's what and then have to make them understand it. If people could so easily be reasoned with, there wouldn't be drunk driving, drug use, murder, etc.

We teach pets the same way. And I love my dog. But nothing else works.

[KrayZ33]

You just wrote the same thing twice. Beating "with a reason" is still beating.

beating hurts, spanking shouldn't

spanking a child should be the same thing as spanking a new born baby.
its the shock that makes them cry, not the pain. (everything else is beating)

thats one of the reasons why spanking won't work if you keep doing and rely on it often.

but lets not forget, your moms and dads turned out to be good (at least I hope so)
and why don't you ask them about their time in school and what teachers did there

[David75]

I do not know if my participation in this will help since I do not have a clear answer/solution I would apply.

I would prefer the no spank rule, no violence, not even a psychological one.
But truth is, some children clearly are almost impossible to manage and no one can help you manage them.

Do not forget that parents also have their problems and hard days and some children can really bring you over the pain limit.
Example:
Said child yells for everything not pleasing it, day and night, shouting, making fusses all the time regardless of the way you try to present things. You've had hard days, at work, in your familly...
It might happen that you cross a line where you can't bear it anymore.

Honestly, it's one of the reasons why I do not want children.
I've seen many cases of incredibly unmanageable children with parents that had dreams of no violence. Dreams severly crushed, as
they have to spank at times and even yell.
I do not want that because I know I'm not better than those people.
I have other reasons I do not want children, don't get me wrong

[Sapphire]

@Ani:

So you equate children to animals who have no brain capacity to know what they're doing and must be violently conditioned against "bad" behaviors like your dog. This reasoning doesn't make it OK to hit them.

How many children have you even seen? I deal with 3-4+ year olds for my work. Regardless of what you want to think, they aren't that stupid. Treating them like idiots who have to be hit to "get the point" doesn't help their intellectual growth or ability to distinguish "right from wrong," only making them understand with their mind helps.

If you already think a child is an idiot who won't get it unless you hit them, it makes me wonder how much you'd even bother reasoning with a child before hitting him in the first place. I often just see DO WHAT I SAY, YOU'RE NOT DOING IT? *SMACK*.