The title of this thread sounds like it belongs on the cover of a children's book.
The title of this thread sounds like it belongs on the cover of a children's book.
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
Yes, because the Western world is so overpopulated because of these 'Western views'...Originally Posted by Animeniax
I'll be skipping all the previous post for sanity... I just wanted to say... I refuse to watch that video. Since I learnt of what happened I just feel that if I end up watching that video I won't be able to erase it from my mind ever. I just hope the fuckers that ran her over get their just punishment. And also those that ignored her or just moved her away from the road and left her behind.
They impose their views on others about how they should live. Still their views.
@Ryougazell: while it's very graphic you should still watch it. Lots of misinformation and conjecture about what happened being posted that probably aren't true.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
I doubt that could happen any time soon considering how much I laugh at the Sankaku articles on China... However, in my nihilistic world view if a country is already the second largest economy in the world (we are talking about a country that is giving financial aid to the banana republics of southern EU), has launched astronauts into space - not only satellites, has nukes, has world-class scientific researchs, etc. it's not any developing country anymore. If it has problems, it has those problems because it chooses to have them, not because it can't do anything about them like real (and poor) developing countries.
So, yeah, I won't fully accept calling this a side effect of being a developing country. It works for some unfortunate African states suffering from famine, drought, and wars where dying and dead people lie on the streets and nobody simply has the energy to do anything about them. But if the same happens in China, the only explanation would be that nobody cares. And like I said before, this happened in a town, not in some rural village that just got the electricity and TV.
Edit:
You gave the name to it. Although it's a bit grammatically fixed from your suggestion.
Last edited by Kraco; Wed, 10-19-2011 at 02:31 AM.
What? Who is 'your'? Don't act retarded and immediatly assume stupid shit, I was refering to buff being "banned" and not his comment about you; try not to act like a self-centered asshole sometimes.
I think youre mixing up GDP with GDP per capita. Because in those terms China is far from the 2nd best, its not even in the same league. Sure the country is on its way, but for now the vast majority of it is 3rd-world. Imagine if 99% of America was hill billy town, and suburban and urban centers only represented 1% of the country? Yes those numbers are stark, but you know what Im getting at.
Might as well say any conjecture about what happens to a character in the coming episodes of Bleach is idiotic so close the anime forums because its all assumptions. But we know where Bleach has been and we know where it's going, same as some of us have an idea of life in 3rd world Asia and some know bad parenting better than others. You might as well label everyone's opinions in the CERN "speed of light" thread moronic because it's all conjecture as well.
And you all need to stop calling her a "little girl". She isn't 6 years old, or 10, or 13. She is a 2 year old. She first learned to walk maybe 6 months ago. I wish all kids were as independent and personally responsible as some of you must have been at 2.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Actually, yes. It's fun to read threads and say things that are actually true instead of not true, Lucifus.
Sorry your daughter was raped. But really, you should know better than to let them get raped you shitty, shitty parent.
<@Terra> he told me this, "man actually meeting terra is so fucking big", and he started crying. Then he bought me hot dogs
Again, you're somehow missing the fact that this is a 2 year old. Pretty much anything bad that happens to your 2 year old (outside of dying in their sleep) is your fault.
It sounds like it should be written by Lars Steig.
Last edited by Animeniax; Wed, 10-19-2011 at 08:37 PM.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Let's break out the bolds and italics for emphasis.
XanBcoo, you can't be seriously arguing this. Parent or not, whoever is the guardian of this child is deemed to be responsible for the child's safety (a child by the way, at the age of two, is as intelligent as a brick. it would be easier to protect a chicken).
Admittedly despite this, guardians cannot operate twenty four/seven with the sole function of watching their children, and thus it becomes their responsibility to transfer the duty of their child's protection elsewhere for an allotted period of time. Accidents and unforeseen circumstances will always occur, however; the risk to a child's safety is always ever present, and it's up to a guardian to compensate for that risk.
This child was at the moment of this accident unsupervised. An unsupervised, curious, plant with legs.
Ex.)
Take this video, is anyone going to blame the child for walking into the slowly moving van approaching her? No, because this child might as well had been a plant at this stage in her life. Why a parent allowed for and granted the possibility for her to take root in the road of a back alley is not on the child, but on the guardian.
It should go without saying that a guardian is to be held responsible for their child's location, safety, education and well being for the entire duration of their 'can't fend for themselves' stage in life.
I'm not saying this parent deserves to be punished (obviously, they already have been), I am saying however that whatever circumstances led to this child being in front of a vehicle (in a country renowned for bad drivers, though the same claim can be made for just about everywhere) lie with the parent.
The fact that the child was run over, and the pedestrians horrifying indifference however, is an unforeseen circumstance/accident for which the parent cannot be held solely accountable for.
Last edited by Lucifus; Wed, 10-19-2011 at 11:32 PM.
Fixed.
Well, I don't know what to tell you. Please continue to go about your life believing wrong things? There's not much else I say. Please read up on victim blaming and rethink your definition of "responsible".
<@Terra> he told me this, "man actually meeting terra is so fucking big", and he started crying. Then he bought me hot dogs
I don't think the parents should be blamed for what happened to their daughter.
I do think they are pretty dumb to let their daughter wander around a street. The incident could have been easily prevented if they were more careful. However, not being able to prevent a bad thing from happening does not make you responsible for it.
Peace.
It's obvious this thread shows different sociological p.o.v.'s about accidents and the ones responsible. All arguments seem to have some truth in them but we don't know which one applies unless we have a full scope of the situation.
I couldn't help but feel it was all planned. She is a girl and seeing it happen like that seemed so... surreal.
I guess it's a combination of unfortunate circumstances though there really isn't an explanation for all the passersby not to help.
Very, very infuriating.
Now... we can click as warriors... button to button, it is the basis of all internet.
Only a fool trusts his life to a virus.
You people seem to conveniently omit that this is a 2 year old we're talking about.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Not really. Like I said, their carelessness is stupid. The fact that the girl was walking unsupervised is their fault. The incident itself is not. If we attribute the blame in the way you propose, then there will be no end to it. The parents actions (or inaction) made the event possible, but they did not cause it.
Peace.
I'd bet it's statistically safe to say that most cases where a kid is temporarily separated from the parent(s) end up having no dire consequences. It actually happens all the time. Just listen to people reminiscing their early childhood and you will eventually hear stories of how horrible it is to notice your mommy isn't anymore standing next to you. Most cases are much shorter than the one in this video, but on the other hand getting into a traffic accident doesn't take more than a fleeting moment.
In short, losing sight of a kid does not automatically result in a disaster. In fact it shouldn't. Monsters like the ones driving the vans are the reason why it might.
Thank you, Kraco.
Sorry your baby got shot in the stomach in the middle of the street by a random gunman, but you really should have been more careful. What were you doing letting your child near a random gunman, you shitty, shitty parent?? You're basically taking care of a potted plant and you went and let them get shot in the stomach.
That's not a strawman. That's literally the argument some of you are making.
You have no idea what was going on and to assume in any way that the parents are somehow responsible is idiotic.Not really. Like I said, their carelessness is stupid. The fact that the girl was walking unsupervised is their fault.
I mean, you realize objectively that if the van hadn't hit the little girl and this video was never recorded you would have no opinion on the parents whatsoever. But because of the actions of two - not just one, two - careless (or sociopathic) drivers, you are now calling into question the parenting skills and saying things like "they were careless" rather than "their daughter got run over twice by a couple of fucking vans."
<@Terra> he told me this, "man actually meeting terra is so fucking big", and he started crying. Then he bought me hot dogs
Or its completely idiotic of you to not understand we are making these judgements based on the facts that we have. No one is passing a final verdict on these parents. No shit we're making assumptions to have an opinion, you have to do that for almost everything in life. Hardly anyone hearing the story is ever involved in it, we form an opinion on the information we have. From all we can tell, since the child in the video had no adults right next to her outside, it is not unrealistic to assume that she was unsupervised.
How is this a hard concept to understand? No one is saying that the drivers are not to blame, or even saying that this incident isnt MOSTLY their fault. Again, no shit most of the blame can be attributed to them. But again, under the assumptions above, the parents are somewhat guilty for leaving the girl unsupervised.
Try and imagine another scenario, where there are no aggressors. Instead, the child is left unsupervised and ends up falling off a cliff or running into the sharp corner of a table. Would you actually say that the parents arent guilty at all? If so, for the love of god never have kids.
I posit that if the parents were within 5 feet of their 2 year old child, there would have been slightly less chance the kid was run over by the trucks. Like Carnage said, no one is not blaming the truck drivers, their guilt is plain and on video. But just imagine if the 2 year old was under the direct supervision of her parents. Probably a slightly smaller chance of her wandering down an alley to be run over. Just slightly, but still a smaller chance.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
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