Holy shit...
How is this even on youtube? It's graphic as fuck
Holy shit...
How is this even on youtube? It's graphic as fuck
It'll stay up until a good samaritan such as yourself reports it as offensive. Is that a little kid on the street??
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
A three year old girl if the description is to be trusted.
I'm pretty sure the commentary said she was 2 years old. They were reporting how the kid got hit and the passers-by took no notice of her. They also said that the video doesn't show that the kid was actually screaming and making noise the entire time until perhaps the 19th (rubbish lady) turned up to check on the kid.
I'm more surprised that the kid's still alive.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
She is? Thank God
Yeah, she's in intensive care.Originally Posted by Archangel
Some other bits from the video:
The parents have 2 wishes:
1) that she comes around healthy and fine
2) that the police can catch the two drivers who ran her over
The first car's license plate was unreadable from the camera due to glare and reflection.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
I think the more merciful thing would be for her to have died. I'd rather die than live in a world where people run over a 2 year old and several passersby ignore a screaming and crying baby on the road.
Where were the parents and why was their kid sitting in the road??
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Shut the fuck up you moron.
What do you know of the parent's circumstances? Nothing? Then who are you to judge?
She's now a 2 year old paraplegic in a country where female fetuses are regularly discarded in the trash dumpsters behind birth clinics because parents can only have 1 (or 2) children and most want a boy... and their baby is sitting in the road to be run over by cars. Great parenting there.
You westerners and your self-righteous over-valuation of human life. They don't have it so easy and so ideal in poor countries with more people than resources. It's pragmatic to let your unwanted kid die. It sucks, but it's what goes on.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_world_theory
People seem a lot less like assholes when you realize they're just subject to socio/psychological effects they're not aware of.
Last edited by XanBcoo; Sun, 10-16-2011 at 05:08 PM.
<@Terra> he told me this, "man actually meeting terra is so fucking big", and he started crying. Then he bought me hot dogs
That's some fucked up shit. Even the other white van drove over her feet. Children dying on the streets must be everyday business for the people who passed her without a second look.
I know you're not referring to me with this "just world theory" reference. I'm not saying what happened to the little girl is just or deserved or otherwise excusable. I just think it's better she dies than continue to live in a world like ours after what happened to her. It's two separate thoughts, conveniently expressed in sequence.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
I was referring to your comment about the parents. They have nothing to do with what happened. Your assumptions about their competence falls into the Just World theory.
The other stuff you said is abhorrent but probably a product of a jaded world-view that comes from experience. I can't hold that against you, just hope that you value human life a little more
<@Terra> he told me this, "man actually meeting terra is so fucking big", and he started crying. Then he bought me hot dogs
Well I only asked where were the parents and why was their kid sitting in the road. If your 2 year old daughter is lying in the street to be run over passersby, I think the parents are culpable to some degree.I was referring to your comment about the parents. They have nothing to do with what happened. Your assumptions about their competence falls into the Just World theory.
The other stuff you said is abhorrent but probably a product of a jaded world-view that comes from experience. I can't hold that against you, just hope that you value human life a little more
I value human life for the most part, but I think westerners over-value human lives. I don't think it's enough to have a life, quality of life matters too.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Given the information we know, which is nothing, they are not culpable for anything. You have no idea what was going on and to assume in any way that the parents are somehow responsible is idiotic.
Even if you are the best parents in the world, it takes about 15 seconds for a child to wander off. They had absolutely no control over the situation. End of story.
Gonna stop replying.
<@Terra> he told me this, "man actually meeting terra is so fucking big", and he started crying. Then he bought me hot dogs
I don't really understand how that justifies letting the girl die because it would have been the 'merciful' thing to do.
Instead you seem to be questioning whether it's WORTH saving her from a practical point of view if you can't guarantee a certain quality of life. I assume since somebody paid her hospital bills at the end, the question of what her life is worth is irrelevant.
I agree that there is a point where quality of life is so low that continuing to live on can be far too difficult for a person. But to prematurely let her die for what PROBABLY could be a very tough life is just not good enough a premise, especially when no one has any way of knowing yet how that kid will be able to cope. It is not an act of mercy but simply an act of convenience.
You need a much deeper understanding of the situation and all possible outcomes before you can even begin to conjecture what the merciful thing to do would be. Being merciful requires you to step into the other person's shoes and have an understanding of the situation from their own perspective. This becomes that much harder with children, who have yet to develop their own understanding. There are just too many unknowns for you as an outsider to 'mercifully' let her die.
Just re-watched the video, and thought this might not be apparent from just the imagery.
The beginning was not in slow motion. The car was initially driving very slowly, and then accelerated in the kid's direction.
The second driver may not have seen the kid on the ground.
Time between collision and help was 6 minutes.
The mother came over after hearing the cries of the helping woman. That means a) she was within earshot, and b) the kid mustn't have screaming that loudly (you know, as in kids on a bus).
edit: to clarify, the commentator added that the kid must have been screaming. Actual witnesses didn't testify. The kid was pretty quiet by the time she got help.
The commentator was explaining the SMS-survey at the end. at least one of those choices was providing excuses for the passer-bys.
Last edited by Buffalobiian; Sun, 10-16-2011 at 09:18 PM.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
What the fuck, what world do you people live in where your 2 year old can wander off, even for 15 seconds, and you're not fucking responsible??? I don't want to live in that world. Even if you say "maybe the babysitter let her wander off", then it's still the parents' fault for entrusting their 2 year old to an irresponsible babysitter.
You should stop replying, you're making yourself look foolish defending shitty parents.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
You're the one jumping to conclusions while completely unaware of the facts regarding the whole situation.
If anyone is looking foolish in this little back and forth you two are having then that would be you.
What conclusions am I jumping to beyond that parents should be responsible for their 2 year old's whereabouts at all times? This isn't your pet dog or cat getting out of the yard, it's your 2 year old kid. And if you watched the video, the mom isn't that far away, but far away enough to not be aware of her 2 year old's situation, which is wrong no matter how far you want to push personal responsibility.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
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