Tobi will end up being Bob Saget.
Tobi will end up being Bob Saget.
Man, I just had the craziest of ideas: Okay, so Orochimaru was sealed away by Itachi. And we assumed that even though Kabuto carried Orochimaru´s DNA, this would at most result in Kabuto being a bit "like" Oro, but not turn him into the actual Oro. Well, didn´t Kishimoto set up a precedence for the opposite to be true? When Sandaime sealed away just Orochimaru´s arms in their battle on the roof top in Konoha, we thought that would be the end for them. Well, turns out that a new body was enough to somehow restore his soul. I think that´s enough evidence to at least consider the possibility of Orochimaru coming back into the world by having his DNA grow on Kabuto´s body, thus restoring Oro´s soul, as established by his own experiments.
Not saying that it will happen, only that it could happen.
If that were the case, then why the need to put a mask on him? There would be no reason to hide his identity, not only from the reader, but from the other characters as well. If he were to take the mask off, none of us would go "OMG, IT'S THE SON OF THE SAGE OF THE SIX PATHS!!" And neither would any of the characters in the manga.Originally Posted by HmniKadoza
It would have to be the face of someone who would be recognized by both the readers and the characters. And would be worth it for Kishi to keep it hidden for these several years.
Yo it's Obito and it has been for around 6 years.
You guys say it can't be Obito because Madara fought fought Minato back then. But maybe he was still alive during that time, but now he is using Obitos body or something for the plan "Y" pointed out.
Or maybe it´s all Itachi´s genjutsu. :-o
First time poster, had to join and get in on this discussion, i agree with "Y" I think it is Madara's soul and personality but not his body. My thoughts are that perhaps before Madara died he used some sort of ultimate genjutsu on someone to think that they are Madara just like how Itachi used genjutsu on himself to break free from Impure World Resurrection. Any thoughts on this?
Tbh I never understood why Madara's brother died cause of loss of his eyes...
Also if he was a hero couldn't he just get a pair of regular eyes/some other Uchiha's eyes and simply... live on? XD
Story felt fishy back then and it feels fishy now, so I imo Tobi lied about the brother being dead.
Real Madara dies, his brother ( Tobi ) gets a hold of sharingan in some way (aftermath of 1st vs Madara?) and pretends he's his brother to get extra fear/reputation points
Nice chapter, liked Kakashi and Sai being useful. About the discussion I cant add anyhting. At this point it seems that anything could happen and be explained with whatever they want.
Anyways I have the feeling that the one behind the mask killed Madara at some point. All those theories about souls, part of DNAs and so are too fishy.
I dont know who is behind tha mask, it could be anyone we havent seen edo tenseid. Obito, Orochimaru, The sage... Iruka. Lets hope we get some more hints so we cant elaborate further in new chapters.
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Isn´t the biggest question at this point: WHY does Kabuto know about it all?! He had to know about the real Madara being dead, otherwise he couldn´t have revived him. I think that´s the biggest clue here to find out what´s going on. But I haven´t given it in-depth thought yet.
He didn't die from the loss of eyes. It was said that he "died in battle".
I'm pretty sure he didn't die in battle in the translation I read, wtf.
But y I can see now that he died in battle according to narutopedia.
people are saying that we.ve only seen one of tobi's eyes....... are u forgetting that he used his left eye in order to evade an attack from konan by using the izanagi and because that eye is closed up forever after using the techniqe he took the rennigan and inplanted it.
i first throught that tobi might be madara's younger brother and i still do but other people are coming up with very good thoughts as well such as him being the sage of sixth path trying to get his former body back and what not. This could be true since in the manga he said that Nagato is originally from the Uzumaki clan. tobi said something along the lines of "the trademark uzumaki red hair has turned snow white" while he was standing above nagatos dead body. he also said he GAVE nagato the rennigan which nagato is orginally an Uzumaki (if thats true). so it kinda fit for tobi to be the sage of sixth paths who is the only one who would have access to the rennigan.
at the moment there are two guesses of who he really is for me and him being the sage of six paths is more beliavable then him being madaras younger brother.
btw about madara's brother dieing in battle. who knows if its a lie or not lol. we discovered tobi lies ALOT!!!!
Very interesting chapter and theories. I have 1 thing to add though. If he is the Sage of the Six Paths as mentioned by some, why would he need to hide his face and why make it seem like he's Madara? Can't he just say, "I'm the Sage of the Six Paths. I'm pretty much god. Help me in my quest for peace." Blahblahblah.
I find it hard to believe the Sage of the Six Paths would fake to be Madara. Doesnt make sense to me. Like a president saying.. fear me, I'm the secretary!
How about that: The sage of six paths (cant we just call him Rikudou Sennin) is trying to revive himself by gathering all bijuus. He´s in a very weakened state and thus took the appearance of Madara, who he knew had more recent creds, so he used him to get it into everyone´s head: Here comes a powerful guy. Once he succeeds in gathering the bijuus, he can reach to the Juubi, which is actually the core of himself.
His ultimate plan, once he´s revived? Complete chaos on earth.
PS: lol, I love coming up with crazy theories. This chapter brought back the old Naruto, yay.
Theirs so many theorys at the moment but hardly any facts, Lets state some facts.
Madara has to be dead to be bought back to live, which means his dead.
Tobi has to be a guy uchiha because he knows a lot about the sharingan.
Kakashi's and Tobi's sharingan are a like they have the same jutsu, just tobi's is more developed and kakashi took his eye from Obito. This shows that Tobi is either Obito or someone who stole Obito's other eye.
It is said that Uchiha Shisui uses the sharingan the best, if so why doesnt kabuto summon him? he would be the best tool for the war, This could mean that Shisui is still alive maybe?
Finally Tobi might be Izuna and the story of madara is the other way around.
Whatever the case, tobi is certainly related to Madara since Kisame identified him as such.
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Kisame identified him as Madara because Tobi called himself Madara and has been calling himself that for quite some time, since it was Tobi who attacked the 4th Hokage. In addition, the only thing we really know about Tobi's face is that it definitely isn't the same as the "real" face of Madara.
After some rereading I'm starting to think it's an imposter who stole an Uchiha's eye and wanted to have Nagato resurrect him into Madara's body to steal a fully functional Uchiha body. This would mean that both of the main villains' master plans was to steal an Uchiha body, which has a certain awful symmetry. In fact, I think it's likely that Tobi is preparing Sasuke as a backup by giving him all the eye shit and leading him on.
It's VERY suspicious that Tobi repeatedly identifies himself as Madara to people he has absolutely no business revealing his identity to.
He identified him as "Mizukage." That has nothing to do with being related to Madara.
Uchiha shisui's body is gone there is no DNA to bring him back. Obito is too young and inexperienced to take on the 4th and he alos lacks the motive. Guys it is most likely Madara but he needed his body revived. Which is why he needed nagato. Madara's actual body is well aware of the war. He doesn't know who is controlling him but he does know about the war. That does mean he knows about starting the war and the flow of things in terms of how his reserrection plays out. This battle is only going to get more drawn out. With Madara's actual body joining the fray along with sasuke things are a little unbalanced now.
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