Hunter x Hunter 2011

[poopdeville]

I don't think Gon was trying to game the nen system. He does everything with maximum resolve. So when he stopped caring and decided to kill Pitou, he rashly and resolutely decided to fuck it all.

I also think any nen user can trade in all of his nen for "one last shot". But it's basically a suicide attack. If you run completely out of nen, you die. And if you don't use it all, you risk not killing the enemy off. Netero did this. Remember how old he got when he did the Buddha-laser thing? He just had a few minutes to live, at best, before setting off the rose.http://www.mangahere.co/manga/hunter...8/c297/15.html

[Carnage]

I don't find this to be bullshit, restrictions aren't new we've seen the power-up its given to Kurripaca (he can take on the Phantom Troupe). It's been acknowledged previously that Gon has a deep well of power, he's instantly accessed it by placing a severe restriction on himself (said in this episode that he will never be able to use nen again). It's not like anyone can do this, because almost noone else likely has this vast reserve of talent/power.

[Penner]

I always keep wondering in the back of my mind about what the hell all the other powerhouses of the HxH world(people like Gon's dad, other 'high-ranking' hunters etc) is doing during all of this instead of helping to take down Meruem.

Whatever they are up to it must be really fucking important lol


edit: Speaking of what other characters are doing, now i'm also wondering what the hell Kurapica and Leorio is up to :P

[shinta|hikari]

Maybe they are such powerhouses that Meruem (and Netero) are actually inconsequential.

[DarthEnderX]

Man, we haven't seen Leorio in ages...he didn't even have Nen the last time we saw him!

It's not like anyone can do this, because almost noone else likely has this vast reserve of talent/power.

If the argument here is that doing this allows a person to access all of the power they're ever going to have at once, then yes, it would work much BETTER for someone like Gon than it would for a less talented person, but you'd still think that in a "definitely gonna die" situation, more people would do it.

Sure, the powerup for someone mediocre like, say, Pokkle, wouldn't be as impressive as it would for Gon, but it would be a powerup non-the-less. It might not even make you strong enough to win, but if you're going to die anyway, there's no reason NOT to do it.

I always keep wondering in the back of my mind about what the hell all the other powerhouses of the HxH world(people like Gon's dad, other 'high-ranking' hunters etc) is doing during all of this instead of helping to take down Meruem.

Gon's dad was building VR worlds, like, a decade ago. He's probably exploring Mars or some shit by now.

[Dark Dragon]

Maybe they are such powerhouses that Meruem (and Netero) are actually inconsequential.

This is a good point. I really wonder how important this event was in the HxH world.

Chimera ants are clearly very dangerous animals that shouldn't be allowed to spread. It's reasonable to think that the Hunters would take part in their containment.

But the country is pretty much out in bumfuck nowhere, and if i remember correctly this region rejects any sort of modern technology and that was one of the reason that the chimera ants was able to take over so easily. So i wonder how many other world powers even really cares enough to actually send someone to deal with the whole situation.

I mean, the chimera basically took over the HxH version of North Korea. So i really wonder who even really cares?

[shinta|hikari]

And they can nuke them to death anytime they want to. It's cheap ya?

[Dark Dragon]

And they can nuke them to death anytime they want to. It's cheap ya?

Was that an option they discussed using on the Chimera Ants if it got too out of hand? I can't recall that being mentioned.

[Penner]

Maybe they are such powerhouses that Meruem (and Netero) are actually inconsequential.

If the other high-level hunters/fighters of the world are actually THAT strong then why couldn't one or some of them basically just quickly swing by and 1shot the king and his guards, then let the weaker guys mop up the rest while they continue on their merry way lol

And they can nuke them to death anytime they want to. It's cheap ya?

Hmm, i guess that's always an option if shit goes completely tits-up lol

[shinta|hikari]

They could have done that already if they just rigged Netero's duel area with nukes instead of (or in conjunction to) planting a suicide bomb on Netero.

I find it funny how the author explicitly mentioned that the nukes are cheap, only to make his own plot development cheap.

[Kraco]

Netero did this. Remember how old he got when he did the Buddha-laser thing? He just had a few minutes to live, at best, before setting off the rose.http://www.mangahere.co/manga/hunter...8/c297/15.html

Gon aside since nothing changed for Gon but his body and the maximum limits, so he just powered up what he already had, Netero's laser attack was totally different from the slapping the buddha statue was doing up until that point. I find it quite hard to believe Netero wouldn't have practiced that attack before when he was developing it. He might have put more power into it this time, but he was a very old man in any case.

(said in this episode that he will never be able to use nen again)

Said by the foremost expert in nen: A few months old ant. You know, Gon himself knows many times more about nen than Pitou ever did.

[Buffalobiian]

Man, we haven't seen Leorio in ages...he didn't even have Nen the last time we saw him!

He did. He was showing off his Nen and the other three went "Oh, that thing..."

I don't believe Zero-hand kills the user per se. It uses all the energy they could use (without dying, if you wanted to..) in give-it-all attack. Netero was a dying man because:

a) He was already half a millennium old, with Nen being the thing that kept him alive for so long and
b) He no longer had the energy to close off his blood vessels and was bleeding to death.

[Carnage]

I think it makes sense to clarify, to me it didn't seem like Gon intentionally "flipped a switch" and placed the nen restriction on himself. It simply looked like he became so emotionally unstable that by nature he powered up, not by active choice. Yeah he says "I don't care anymore" but there's a progression of him losing his sanity, which is why it isn't "bs that anyone can just do since they're going to die anyway". Maybe someone like Netero can do this by choice but I doubt anyone else has the ability to give up all their power for one shot.

[Kraco]

Maybe someone like Netero can do this by choice but I doubt anyone else has the ability to give up all their power for one shot.

Who's giving up all of their power for one shot? There's no evidence that's what Gon is doing, apart from the opinion of his enemy who knows far less about nen than Gon. Moreover, from a purely practical point of view, how exciting will the rest of the story be if Gon loses his nen powers here? As far as I know, this isn't the end of HxH. Gon hasn't even met his old man yet, despite the fact he stupidly, or gonnishly, thinks Kite being dead is the end of the world.

[Carnage]

In context of the information we have in this battle, I don't see any reason to assume Pitou is full of shit considering she figured out nen all on her own and opened up every other ant's ability to use it. Even if not all of Gon's nen disappears, he did place SOME sort of restriction on himself that will have consequences. My main point was that its likely not anyone can willingly place such a massive restriction on themselves as a last resort, which is why this device isn't absolute bullshit.

[MFauli]

The core of this problem appears to be: If someone can just achieve such monstrous power by giving up his own life, why doesn´t everyone do it in face of an overwhelming enemy? It seems logical for me to assume that it´s not as easy as to decide doing that. It makes more sense to assume that it is a result of Gon´s natural talent. Even Netero didn´t really achieve anything by talent, he got stronger by pure repetition and dedication. So, Gon´s transformation is THAT special.

Moreover, from a purely practical point of view, how exciting will the rest of the story be if Gon loses his nen powers here?

In my opinion? Very exciting, since it´d mean he´d have to find new ways to compete with nen-users.

As an aside, finally some positive reputation for me, on the topic of Pitou:

I'd hit it.

[DarthEnderX]

But the country is pretty much out in bumfuck nowhere, and if i remember correctly this region rejects any sort of modern technology and that was one of the reason that the chimera ants was able to take over so easily.

Technically, that's the next country over, where the ant's hive was. That was basically Amish country run by drug lords.

The country they're in now is just a stereotypical 3rd world dictatorship.

In context of the information we have in this battle, I don't see any reason to assume Pitou is full of shit considering she figured out nen all on her own and opened up every other ant's ability to use it.

Technically, Pitou's entire conclusion seems to be based on how powerful Gon has become. Her logic was "You can't obtain this much strength without sacrificing everything". But maybe she just thinks that based on her own power, and maybe tMeruem's.

It's possible that Gon really is so powerful that he CAN obtain that much strength and not have to have sacrificed it all to get. He might be in a completely different league than Pitou or even Meruem. Which would make Pitou's conclusion not applicable.

[Kraco]

In context of the information we have in this battle, I don't see any reason to assume Pitou is full of shit considering she figured out nen all on her own and opened up every other ant's ability to use it.

In fact I'd say the fact she figured out something of nen all on her own makes her assessment all the more unreliable. She's just like one of the incalculable internet experts out there who know a smattering of a subject yet believe they surely know everything of it and can thus proceed to advice everybody else. In many subjects, and I have no doubt nen is one of them, it's far more dangerous to know a little and become too confident than to realise it's nothing but a tiny bit of the whole. There's a reason why Gon and Killua benefitted so hugely from Biscuit's teaching.

[Buffalobiian]

Technically, Pitou's entire conclusion seems to be based on how powerful Gon has become. Her logic was "You can't obtain this much strength without sacrificing everything". But maybe she just thinks that based on her own power, and maybe tMeruem's.

Except Killua also arrived at a similar conclusion, that to obtain that much power Gon must have sacrificed something he shouldn't have.

[Carnage]

Not only did Killua arrive at the same conclusion, but you guys are ignoring my other point. Even if Gon didn't sacrifice EVERYTHING, it is agreed that he placed some large restriction on himself. The ability to do so willingly is probably not common amongst 99% of nen users, or even Gon himself who lost control, which is why this isn't just an ass-pull from Togashi.