Hunter x Hunter 2011

[Edort4]

Netero should have a hall of fame only for himself. Such a shame the fight felt so short but I guess that its better this way. I doubt the king has died from the explosion but I can see him without some limbs and in need of serious healing and Pouf is quite crazy right now maybe he could try a move to become king. Without Pitou there to heal him he could be an "easy" target for some time.

Seeing how no1 was able of "damaging" the king nor the royal guards seriously I dobut Gon is going to kill Pitou. They are in a whole different level. So not really sure what will happen maybe what mfauli says about a peaceful solution and an understanding. King badly injured, Pitou restrained by Komugi (she will threaten her to not hurt the humans) and Youpi fighting (and maybe dying) to save the "changed" injured king (with his new fear, he discovered that humans would first blow the earth than surrending to the ants, and respect for humanity)from pouf.

ps. I would hate that any random guy now defeated the king "fairly" in a fight after seeing Netero give his all life training hit and his own life as a sucide bomber. He was too great a charcter to be defiled like that.

[poopdeville]

The art was amazing. Especially that water color when Mereum felt admiration for Netero. The Rose was way more impressive in the manga. But Netero looking like a wasted old man, and then a demented goblin, was awesome. Plus, "I'll see you in Hell." -- I guess he lost his Buddha-hood.

[DarthEnderX]

Damn, that was badass as all hell. His dying form was the creepiest thing ever.

Still, kinda lame that he basically resorted to cheating at the end.

Guess I'll just have to wait to see if the King can survive being nuked.


So apparently, Meruem isn't aware of the concept that placing restrictions on yourself can make your Nen abilities more powerful, because he couldn't conceive of a reason why Netero would train himself to perform an unnecessary motion.

[shinta|hikari]

I hope the king is dead. It would be a refreshing twist to the usual shounen resurrecting villain.

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Komugi looked fine and even cheerful in the preview. But Gon still looked dazed. I am very curious as to how it will all play out. If there will be a Gon fight, I am guessing he will be using a Kurapika like sacrifice to equalize the gap between him and Nef.

[Buffalobiian]

So apparently, Meruem isn't aware of the concept that placing restrictions on yourself can make your Nen abilities more powerful, because he couldn't conceive of a reason why Netero would train himself to perform an unnecessary motion.

I don't think Netero clapped his hands to increase his power. It was simply his way of showing gratitude during his prayers, and that gratitude was what gave him his speed.

What I don't quite get is the the contradictory concept of enclosing your "loving" hands around someone then blasting them.

Mereum should die. If he doesn't it would really cheapen the "You had me checkmated from the start" line if he doesn't.

[DarthEnderX]

I don't think Netero clapped his hands to increase his power. It was simply his way of showing gratitude during his prayers, and that gratitude was what gave him his speed.

I don't think there's really any difference.

His restriction IS that he shows gratitude before he attacks. I don't think it's the gratitude itself that is somehow giving him power.

[Buffalobiian]

He didn't set a restriction like Kurapica did with the mindset of increasing his power.

Why this distinction matters is because you said the King doesn't understand that restrictions can make you stronger as part of Nen mechanics. That is, "If I take X-restriction or unnecessary movement, I can gain Y-advantage". That line of thinking isn't at all why or now Netero became so powerful. Netero's ability did not come from Nen mechanics (amplifying his Nen by limiting it) but sheer practice. The reason he practiced so much for years was his borderline-crazy gratitude.

[DarthEnderX]

He didn't set a restriction like Kurapica did with the mindset of increasing his power.

I think that's simply because Netero didn't have anyone to teach him about it. He learned it on his own through years of training, rather than simply having an expert explain it to him like Kurapica did.

That is, "If I take X-restriction or unnecessary movement, I can gain Y-advantage". That line of thinking isn't at all why or now Netero became so powerful.

I agree. But I think the principle is still being applied even if he wasn't consciously doing it for that reason. He set a limitation on himself out of gratitude(i.e. I'm going to pray before every attack), and that increased his power, even though that's not the reason he set the limitation.

[Buffalobiian]

Regardless of whether you "learned" it or not, the effect is instantaneous as far as we know. That wasn't the case for Netero. He was gracious from the start of his training but the effects didn't manifest until long afterwards. I agree with the King in that he trained to become this way rather than some limitation relationship.

[DarthEnderX]

Regardless of whether you "learned" it or not, the effect is instantaneous as far as we know. That wasn't the case for Netero. He was gracious from the start of his training but the effects didn't manifest until long afterwards.

That's because when he started his training, I don't think Netero even knew how to use Nen at all. There's nothing that really suggested that he did. None of the people in the Dojo's he went to afterwards seemed like they knew how to use it.

Adding a restriction may have an instantaneous effect, but learning Nen from scratch with no teacher isn't. I think he simply taught himself to use Nen with a restriction applied from the very start.

[Kraco]

ps. I would hate that any random guy now defeated the king "fairly" in a fight after seeing Netero give his all life training hit and his own life as a sucide bomber. He was too great a charcter to be defiled like that.

Wasn't Netero just really unlucky? His attacks were of the physical kind, and the King is exceedingly resistant to (external) physical damage. There are some far more mythical nen powers that would have probably ended the fight "easily", assuming the fighter could have survived long enough to use the power (which could be ensured by a few buddies).

The King is barely weeks old now, or something, so it's understandable he was underestimating humans and everybody else. Humans have likely used nen for hundreds or thousands of years in the HxH world, plus all the scientific knowledge. The King knows nothing, so it's clear Netero wasn't overly worried despite not being able to personally finish the King and live to tell the story.

[shinta|hikari]

Why didn't they just nuke the King in the first place? The bombs are supposed to be cheap. They could have used Knov's ability to drop like a hundred of them all over the palace. Making one of your best fighters a suicide bomber is just dumb.

[MFauli]

Regarding the king´s physical resistance: Does he use nen for that? We´ve never heard about it, but I gess it must be so, because what material would his body be made of otherwise?

[shinta|hikari]

Most of the defense in the story is because of Nen. Killua and Gon for example are very frail without it, much like normal humans.

[Kraco]

No doubt he was using nen. We saw his aura every now and then, and thus we can deduce he's using it actively in any case. It would also be quite ridiculous if he had survived Netero's attacks without using nen. Although they didn't kill the King, I'm sure they were helluva strong.

[Carnage]

Wasn't Netero just really unlucky? His attacks were of the physical kind, and the King is exceedingly resistant to (external) physical damage. There are some far more mythical nen powers that would have probably ended the fight "easily", assuming the fighter could have survived long enough to use the power (which could be ensured by a few buddies).

Well thing is, any other group of fighters would have all instantly died. The king casually strolled by Netero and grandpa Zoldeyck, he's probably faster than anyone without specific speed-based powers and even then, those were hundreds of thousands of punches flying the king is probably faster than specialists still.

The reason they didn't just drop a bomb I suppose was because if they messed up once doing it by automation (dropping from the sky) then they may lose their chance if the ants survived and learned about wmd's. They probably wanted someone skilled enough to ensure the bomb would hit home.

[shinta|hikari]

Why the hell would they drop it from the sky? They had a hunter that could create gates within the enemy castle. I'm pretty sure being 10m or 50m away from ground zero of that explosion would not change its effect.

The only excuse that would make sense is that Netero was confident he would be able to kill the King with Zero. Still, it is dumb strategy. Risking your Queen when you could have checkmated with a couple of pawns is foolish.

The entire bomb reveal is cheap to be honest. It came from nowhere.

[neflight86]

I thought the nuke was a masterful scale reminder: Human Nen is great and all; Ant Nen can be even better... but chemistry and physics trumps all. It also foreshadows what the ants would have faced if they left their country to invade the remaining world in an organized manner.

I like to believe the King's mention of Checkmates being against humanity more so than Netero Specifically.

[shinta|hikari]

I'm fine with the nuke itself, but the execution was horrible. Why could it not have been a special nuke that is very hard to make and is extremely expensive? That would have justified the use of Netero to ensure it hits since it would be too great a risk to use someone else and fail.

[Carnage]

Why the hell would they drop it from the sky? They had a hunter that could create gates within the enemy castle. I'm pretty sure being 10m or 50m away from ground zero of that explosion would not change its effect.

The only excuse that would make sense is that Netero was confident he would be able to kill the King with Zero. Still, it is dumb strategy. Risking your Queen when you could have checkmated with a couple of pawns is foolish.

The entire bomb reveal is cheap to be honest. It came from nowhere.

1. They would have to be certain that the king was in the hideout, of which they didn't know. Which is why they needed someone strong to find and isolate the king. If knov dropped the bomb in the building and the King was somewhere else, there goes the element of surprise.

2. Let the arc finish before deciding that it seemed random, I think there were several thematic elements that somewhat foreshadowed the use of human technology in fighting the ants.