Hunter x Hunter 2011

[shinta|hikari]

I actually find the surprise attack by Neffy against Kite weird. Why didn't Kite see the En that she was pouring out? Neffy should not be able to sense them unless they enter her En range, but so far every single hunter who even came close to that En was either awed or terrified by it.

Was Kite just bad at sensing En? Or is it really just like Kraco said, that Kite sucks compared to the Chairman, Knov, or even Palm, who managed to sense it?

Did Neffy have her En off then suddenly turned it on, catching Kite by surprise?

[Carnage]

The man had just sat too long behind a desk twiddling papers and lost his touch. It doesn't prove Pitou is strong, only that the chairman was rusty. He's now planning to attack the king himself and leave Pitou for others, so it hardly sounds like he considers Pitou unbeatable.

Pretty much every real fight of a human vs ant has shown one thing more clear than anything else: Long experience matters just as much as awesome aura. Even brats like Gon and Killua are veritable battle scarred veterans compared to these ants who are all under a year old, I believe. Sometimes experience doesn't save the human, like it didn't Kaito, but then again, there're many factors affecting the outcome of a fight. I never considered Kaito so strong anyway, largely due to his stupid technique. On the other hand he was exceedingly ill prepared for the fight that was delivered to him suddenly. That was at least half of his own mistake, though. A mistake Palm is now repeating, probably.

Im starting to think you never admit yourself wrong no matter what. The chairman acknowledged Pitou's strength, Colt has witnessed the nen level of the Royal Guards and the Chairman. Yes, experience matters but obviously there is a limit when one's strength is just so immense. Knov probably has a vast amount of experience, and he's shitting his pants because he knows the difference between his abilities and theirs. So far every reaction by every character to the Royal Guard, human or ant, has been of absolute awe and terror.

I actually find the surprise attack by Neffy against Kite weird. Why didn't Kite see the En that she was pouring out? Neffy should not be able to sense them unless they enter her En range, but so far every single hunter who even came close to that En was either awed or terrified by it.

Was Kite just bad at sensing En? Or is it really just like Kraco said, that Kite sucks compared to the Chairman, Knov, or even Palm, who managed to sense it?

Did Neffy have her En off then suddenly turned it on, catching Kite by surprise?

Kite's En (well, almost no human's En) could reach the distance between him and the nest at that point. Im guessing Neferpitou sensed him either through natural instinct or was able to leap the distance instantly after activating her nen.

[Buffalobiian]

Yes, but she very clearly had battle damage on her. And considering the degree to which everyone absolutely shits themselves when anywhere near her, I'd say that is a hefty accomplishment.

I'm not disagreeing that Kite did put up a fight. I'm just saying that he wasn't "acknowledged" directly by Pitou. Pitou's comment was specifically referring to her own strength. By inference though, it does require Kite to be strong to make such a comparison (that, or she rolled him). I personally think that the bigger compliment to Kite was that Pitou wanted to reanimate him to savour their fight.

Kite's En (well, almost no human's En) could reach the distance between him and the nest at that point. Im guessing Neferpitou sensed him either through natural instinct or was able to leap the distance instantly after activating her nen.

Kite's En range was around 40m from memory. Top notch En users were somewhere around 50m or something. Pitou's range is massive. I don't think Pitou was emitting En continuously at that stage and detected Kite via instinct. You have to ask then though (as shinta did): why use En when your instincts are that good?

Actually, I think carnage's last point would be right. Pitou activated En right after learning about it and detected Kite. Kite then detected Pitou's En and told the kids to run away.

[shinta|hikari]

What an unlucky bastard Kite was.

[Kraco]

Im starting to think you never admit yourself wrong no matter what. The chairman acknowledged Pitou's strength, Colt has witnessed the nen level of the Royal Guards and the Chairman. Yes, experience matters but obviously there is a limit when one's strength is just so immense. Knov probably has a vast amount of experience, and he's shitting his pants because he knows the difference between his abilities and theirs. So far every reaction by every character to the Royal Guard, human or ant, has been of absolute awe and terror.

Then don't try to think. I'm admitting I'm wrong all the time, especially since I make predictions that turn out wrong very often.

I'm not saying Pitou is weak. He's probably among the strongest characters we have seen so far. But I am saying those who shit their pants just by sensing his aura are indeed weak cowards. The chairman didn't do that. He was quite calm and admitted he's so rusty that he would probably lose to the ant monster at the moment. So, he started training to able to beat the king instead. That shows guts of a peculiar kind, no doubt.

Like I said before, we don't know how scared Killua really was because he was suffering from the brain needle effect. Gon surely wasn't; he wanted to kick Pitou's ass back to the ant nest. Besides, being scared is okay, scared witless is not. They are working to save the world of men, so dropping out of the fight because you think you might not be dominating the fight is cowardice and nothing else.

I don't even know anymore what I'm commenting on, since your comment was somewhat lacking in the sense department, but who cares.

[MFauli]

People calling Pitou "him".

People calling Pitou "Neffy".

This thread got a lot more annoying to read ./



PS: if the en-range is really such a marker for power levels, and top notch nen-users can "see" within 50 meters, and we have Pitou who "saw" over a distance of what, more than a kilometer? Then everybody is super-fucked.

[Carnage]

But I am saying those who shit their pants just by sensing his aura are indeed weak cowards. The chairman One of earth's top 4 nen users didn't do that.

Keep in mind, Kite/Killua/Gon faced Pitou before (s)he even knew what nen was. There is actually no reason to believe Knov is a pussy, considering he's dealt with every other opponent just fine and he was handpicked by the chairman himself, which should say something.

Like I said before, we don't know how scared Killua really was because he was suffering from the brain needle effect.

Killua's needle forces him to retreat from dangerous situations. He was psyched out long after he was in any danger.

Gon surely wasn't.

That's because Gon our shonen protagonist, and this entire story has been him not backing down from anything.

They are working to save the world of men, so dropping out of the fight because you think you might not be dominating the fight is cowardice and nothing else.

No.

I don't even know anymore what I'm commenting on, since your comment was somewhat lacking in the sense department, but who cares.

Just go back one page and see yourself, you said:

That doesn't actually mean anything...being one of the top hunters is a stretch...I'd like to think that aside from the chairman and very few others, the organization can't really send any strong people anywhere, only mediocre ones who either are interested in gaining an office in the organization or have no ambitions of their own.

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Who knows. We haven't actually seen Pitou fight against tough opponents. Gon was even willing to challenge Pitou and was only stopped by Killua, who was still under his brother's brain implant control. We know now Knov is a coward, so we are sorely lacking references.

I originally said Kaito must have been strong to have fought well against Pitou. You insinuated otherwise, posting that we can't make that claim since we don't actually know how relatively strong Pitou is by arguing "lack of reference". I presented references, then you forgot your original claim entirely. Wasn't hard to try.

[DarthEnderX]

I think it would be hilarious if Pitou turned out not to be insanely strong at all and just has a weird power that makes her aura way more threatening than it should be.

[shinta|hikari]

And she scared Kite to death.

Poor bastard.

@Mfauli - What's wrong with calling him/her Neffy? I can go back to Nef if it annoys you. Pitou is weird so I will refrain from using that.

[DarthEnderX]

And she scared Kite to death.

I don't mean that she'd be powerless. Just not as strong as her aura leads people to think she is.

@Mfauli - What's wrong with calling him/her Neffy? I can go back to Nef if it annoys you. Pitou is weird so I will refrain from using that.

Pitou is the nickname other characters are using though.

[Kraco]

I originally said Kaito must have been strong to have fought well against Pitou. You insinuated otherwise, posting that we can't make that claim since we don't actually know how relatively strong Pitou is by arguing "lack of reference". I presented references, then you forgot your original claim entirely. Wasn't hard to try.

But you presented absolutely no references of any value! Because we have very few of those. The chairman was weak because he was rusty (or old). He has said as much himself. But the fact he's planning to somehow deal with the king means he thinks he can shake off some of that rust and then compensate some with experience.

We never saw Kaito fight any really serious fights. My main argument against him is highly biased because I think his main technique, summoning the utterly stupid clown thing, made him far weaker than he needed to be. Yet he could fight against Pitou for a while so naturally he's stronger than Knov, who was missing his mommy before he even saw Pitou.

But yeah, I hate on a fundamental level the whole your aura is directly proportional to your battle prowess thinking, so I doubt we will ever see eye to eye. I prefer the delinquent measure of who's standing last is stronger.

[Splash!]

Actually, I think carnage's last point would be right. Pitou activated En right after learning about it and detected Kite. Kite then detected Pitou's En and told the kids to run away.

But Pitou noticed Kite even before she was able to pinpoint his location using En (which is when he became aware of her too). I thought it was possible at the very least to detect the presence of someone else's aura. En just takes it one step further by allowing you pinpoint where that aura is coming from, as well as being able to detect individuals in a zetsu state.

Even without En, it should have been possible for the king and the royal guards to notice that Knov was skulking around unless he was using 'In' or something. This may help explain why he seemed to have been affected more by royal guard nen than Kite or Gon. Remember that using Zetsu makes you extra vulnerable to aura.

EDIT: This also serves as a plausible explanation for why Killua was more affected by Pitou's aura than Gon (rather than Gon's plot armor). Killua is a natural assassin and is probably instinctively using Zetsu to lessen his presence and be more receptive of his surroundings.

[Kraco]

The needle in Killua's brain made him witless when facing anybody he judged stronger. That certainly would be the case with a monster like Pitou. It even made him almost lose against a mediocre opponent like Rammot. He was like a different man, well, a boy, after he removed the needle. The fear was gone and he one-shotted the stupid ant. So, Killua can be counted out. I admit maybe Gon as well, at least to a degree, since he was nearly going berserk after what happened to Kaito. But I would be extremely surprised if Gon and Killua couldn't face Pitou when the time comes. Perhaps Knov was made also weaker by being the calculating type. Gon just pushes forward similar to Uvo. In fact Killua is also calculating, so it'll be interesting to see how it goes. But in the end it's a part of an assassin's job to find a way to deal with a stronger opponent. After all, who needs assassins if not for taking out otherwise untouchable targets? Illumi likely figered Killua would be ready for that by the time he manages to remove the needle.

[Splash!]

I just think that it is more than a coincidence that the 2 stealth types have freaked out the most. They seemed to have been caught off guard by intensity of their opponent's aura. That is not to say that Killua can't go in again using a more head on approach (he would probably fare better). Knov, on the other hand, seems to have been utterly defeated by that first experience.

[Kraco]

That is not to say that Killua can't go in again using a more head on approach (he would probably fare better).

In practice we haven't seen Killua's reaction even for the first time, because there's no panic needle inside his head anymore. He's a different person now. That's why I said it will be interesting.

[Buffalobiian]

Gon surely wasn't; he wanted to kick Pitou's ass back to the ant nest. Besides, being scared is okay, scared witless is not.

I think Gon actually was scared. "Anger + fear = fuck this shit, blind charge." Killua thought "fuck this shit, bail" Neither of them were "thinking" in the real sense. Their own gut reactions took over.

[MFauli]

I think Gon actually was scared. "Anger + fear = fuck this shit, blind charge." Killua thought "fuck this shit, bail" Neither of them were "thinking" in the real sense. Their own gut reactions took over.

agreed
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[Archangel]

So nobody's gonna mention how Palm totally boned that vice president guy?

[enkoujin]

I actually refuse to believe that it happened and hope that the drugs kicked in after he stripped himself before anything else happened.

[Buffalobiian]

I actually refuse to believe that it happened and hope that the drugs kicked in after he stripped himself before anything else happened.

That's usually the case.