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    That shit was downright disturbing, this is supposed to be a children's show? Holy shit...

    Also lol, the preview. Rip in peace.

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    Poor Pokkle. They gave us hope that he'd live only to snatch it away from us...

    It is however, a much more believable method for them to learn how Nen works.


    Anyway, guess you guys were right. The way they described what happened to Rammot is the same as what Wing did to Gon and Killua.

    It's weird to imagine that anyone that happens to survive a powerful Nen attack could just end up getting Nen powers though.

    Quote Originally Posted by MFauli View Post
    Always hate these situations where previously confident, strong characters fall to their knees because suddenly a 100 times stronger ally appears. Hope, some human puts Neferpitou in her place in an upcoming fight.
    I was expecting her to execute Rammot during that whole scene for daring to think he could be King.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco View Post
    I'm starting to think Kite is pretty arrogant thinking he can take down these enemies only by himself and two kids still very much in the middle of their development.
    I think he was hoping to get to them and kill the Queen before the Ants developed as far as they have. He certainly didn't expect them to have Nen when he started the mission.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarthEnderX View Post
    I think he was hoping to get to them and kill the Queen before the Ants developed as far as they have. He certainly didn't expect them to have Nen when he started the mission.
    Indeed. But making favourable assumptions is a sign of arrogance.

    I never really expected Pokkle to survive (though I didn't certainly foresee this grotesque scene), not after Ponzu kicked the bucket.

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    I don't like that they're bringing back characters I liked from the Hunter exam just to kill them off.

    If they do anything to Hanzo then so help me...!

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    The pig butchering the humans, quite ironic...

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    I think its unfair to expect Kaito to be even more cautious than he already is when even the Ants themselves hadn't conceived of power levels so large.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carnage View Post
    I think its unfair to expect Kaito to be even more cautious than he already is when even the Ants themselves hadn't conceived of power levels so large.
    It's the opposite. The ants knew nothing, so obviously they didn't even know their own full potential. After all, they have no culture or history of their own whatsoever. Their civilization is from hive insect instincts, the scattered memories of those the queen ate, and from random books. But Kite, being quite a master hunter and nen user, should have taken all possibilities into account. If he didn't, he's no better than the greenhorns Gon & Killua. Though I guess a little better than Pokkle's foolish group since Kite had the wits to send his non-nen buddies away.

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    Kite is fighting against time. He has to get there as fast as he could to prevent all this from happening. If anything, this happened because he wasn't fast enough. He took the opportunity to see if Killua and Gon were up for the job by testing them on Rammot - so his only possible mistake would be that he didn't think Rammot could leave alive. Whether the failure to predict Colt being trees can be seen as a failure, I'll leave that up to you. Actually, considering the Neferpitou was born without the influence of Kite.. that ultimately doesn't matter very much.

    Quote Originally Posted by David
    Anyway, guess you guys were right. The way they described what happened to Rammot is the same as what Wing did to Gon and Killua.
    I was testing out headphones with youtube and I happened across the old HxH episode 46 where Gon went home after his exam. In that episode, Gonta's son (Gonta's the bear-thing that grew up with Gon) was injured and the duo poured Nen into it to heal him. Right before the credits, Gonta's son was glowing with nen.

    I had forgotten that little bit.

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    Why is that quote calling me David?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarthEnderX View Post
    Why is that quote calling me David?
    Memory was blending in between threads. I blame the D-

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian View Post
    Kite is fighting against time. He has to get there as fast as he could to prevent all this from happening. If anything, this happened because he wasn't fast enough. He took the opportunity to see if Killua and Gon were up for the job by testing them on Rammot - so his only possible mistake would be that he didn't think Rammot could leave alive. Whether the failure to predict Colt being trees can be seen as a failure, I'll leave that up to you. Actually, considering the Neferpitou was born without the influence of Kite.. that ultimately doesn't matter very much.
    No, his mistake - if such a mistake appears and he doesn't just annihilate all the ants, royals guards and kings included - was underestimating the chimera ants despite having studied them and calling them extremely dangerous when Gon & Killua appeared in front of him. I mean, like I said before, if you intend to take care of the whole problem all by yourself, with the help of two kids you intend to train in the process, you aren't exactly expecting heavy resistance or major difficulties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco View Post
    No, his mistake - if such a mistake appears and he doesn't just annihilate all the ants, royals guards and kings included - was underestimating the chimera ants despite having studied them and calling them extremely dangerous when Gon & Killua appeared in front of him. I mean, like I said before, if you intend to take care of the whole problem all by yourself, with the help of two kids you intend to train in the process, you aren't exactly expecting heavy resistance or major difficulties.
    Well....

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    But he's hoping to get to the nest before the royal guards and the king hatch. Considering a squadron leader (highest rank underneath Royal Guard) just ran away from Kite with his tail in between his legs, Kite so far hasn't underestimated anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carnage View Post
    But he's hoping to get to the nest before the royal guards and the king hatch. Considering a squadron leader (highest rank underneath Royal Guard) just ran away from Kite with his tail in between his legs, Kite so far hasn't underestimated anything.
    They haven't yet fought any nen using ants. Opponents without nen skills, ants or humans, are at a disadvantage against nen users, plain and simple. Yet Rammot could survive Gon's rock shattering nen-punch without dying or even getting permanently wounded, without any nen defenses. This means, of course, that Rammot could have fought againts The Bomber, for example, simply ignoring the little flower. That was pretty tough already, but now he has nen powers to boot.

    But like I said, if Kite makes short work of them all, then it's proven he didn't miscalculate. But if he starts to get pushed back, he did severely underestimate the ants' potential and only increases the hazard as there's a danger he could himself (or Gon/Killua) get fed to the queen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco View Post
    Yet Rammot could survive Gon's rock shattering nen-punch without dying or even getting permanently wounded, without any nen defenses.
    They've already shown though that that has less to do with the power of Gon's attack, and more to do with their innate resistance to impacts due to their insect carapaces, because Scissors, which isn't as strong as Rock, cuts through them easily.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco View Post
    But if he starts to get pushed back, he did severely underestimate the ants' potential
    And again, so what?

    To reiterate my earlier point, I'm supposed to hold it against a guy for not being an expert in something that has never happened before?

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    I dont see how Rammot would be immune to Bomberīs Little Flower because of Gonīs failed attack. One is a fist punch, the other one a concentrated explosion that has killed EVERY pro hunter that participated in Greed Island and got trapped by Bomber. Little Flower would have killed Rammot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarthEnderX View Post
    To reiterate my earlier point, I'm supposed to hold it against a guy for not being an expert in something that has never happened before?
    So, you are more careless and self-confident when facing an unknown threat? How does that work unless you think you are the boss and nothing could possibly threaten you? The fact alone he took two kids with him tells he doesn't really think that much of the chimera ants. It's true he's possibly like Ging in the sense he thinks one learns best through action and experience and facing deadly danger, so he didn't necessarily think there's no risk, but he did think taking the two brats with him wouldn't slow him down or endanger the mission.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco View Post
    So, you are more careless and self-confident when facing an unknown threat? How does that work unless you think you are the boss and nothing could possibly threaten you? The fact alone he took two kids with him tells he doesn't really think that much of the chimera ants. It's true he's possibly like Ging in the sense he thinks one learns best through action and experience and facing deadly danger, so he didn't necessarily think there's no risk, but he did think taking the two brats with him wouldn't slow him down or endanger the mission.
    To be fair to Kite, he did make it a priority to notify the hunter organisation right away. Secondly, Gon, Killua and himself are the only nen users around at the moment. The alternatives would be to either go in alone or sit around doing nothing waiting for the royal guards and king to hatch (neither of which are any better options). He is taking a gamble that he will be able to take out the queen before before she gives birth to the king, which is about the only thing he can hope to do right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFauli View Post
    Little Flower would have killed Rammot.
    So would have Scissors.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco View Post
    The fact alone he took two kids with him tells he doesn't really think that much of the chimera ants.
    Why should he? They've never done anything like this before.

    The Royal Guardian doesn't even make sense. She's apparently insanely powerful, far more powerful than anyone the Ants could have eaten in order to create her. There's no logical reason she should be as powerful as she is given what's known about the ants.

    And it's going to suck when that becomes a problem for them, but I'm not going to hold Kite responsible for not knowing something there's no way he could POSSIBLY know.

    You seem to want us to think less of him as a Hunter because he's underestimating them, but I'm not about to lower my estimation of a character for not being psychic enough to possess information that only the viewers possess at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarthEnderX View Post
    And it's going to suck when that becomes a problem for them, but I'm not going to hold Kite responsible for not knowing something there's no way he could POSSIBLY know.

    You seem to want us to think less of him as a Hunter because he's underestimating them, but I'm not about to lower my estimation of a character for not being psychic enough to possess information that only the viewers possess at this point.
    You know... My whole point is that because he knows less than we, the audience, he should be even more worried. Whether I think less of him as a hunter or not will depend on the outcome (I'm not a fan of the concept of almost accidents and almost mistakes). But I do think he would have moved considerably faster without Gon & Killua. First of all, he could have likely used stealth more (he's not interested in defeating every single grunt out there). He set out without waiting for other pro hunters because he wanted to prevent the king from being born and thus making matters simpler, despite the fact it's a big risk to challenge a whole colony on his own - the fact if he's defeated further complicating the situation because his body would be quite a feast for the queen. However, despite taking this big risk for a worthy goal, he instead compromises by having Gon & Killua tag along. That's the facet of arrogance and underestimation I'm trying to point out. In short, he feels he has leeway when dealing with the ants, despite not knowing much.

    I can't explain my stance any better than this. If it's still not enough, I give up.

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