My interpretation of events is not fan fic. Here, read the manga carefully until you realize your mistake:
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/hunte...12/c105/8.html
My interpretation of events is not fan fic. Here, read the manga carefully until you realize your mistake:
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/hunte...12/c105/8.html
"After all, I am strangely colored."
Is there a translation error or something on page 9? He says 8 members in total, after mentioning only 7 (and skipping Pakunoda altogether). Her name was definitely mentioned in the anime though.
No thanks. If the anime is different from the manga it's not "my mistake". It's the anime's mistake.Originally Posted by poopdeville
I can only draw conclusions based on the information that's presented to me. If the manga is different, that's not my problem.
Unless it's just the translation that's wrong.
Last edited by DarthEnderX; Thu, 11-15-2012 at 10:41 PM.
Such mentality is half of the problem. Maybe it won't take away much when watching archetype shounen like HxH, but with even a bit more complicated stories you have to draw conclusions based also on what is not presented directly, without crying foul the first moment you thought something unexplained happened. It's not like some committee was supervising that every detail must be explained even in shounen, it just normally happens to be so (for ill effects).
So, in short, the manga didn't really add anything essential that couldn't have been derived from the anime as well. Plus the anime had better translations.
The manga is certainly more complete in its details, but I don't see what the is lacking at all in order to come to a conclusion on this.
"You are not free whose liberty is won by the rigour of other, more righteous souls. Your are merely protected. Your freedom is parasitic, you suck the honourable man dry and offer nothing in return. You who have enjoyed freedom, who have done nothing to earn it, your time has come. This time you will stand alone and fight for yourselves. Now you will pay for your freedom in the currency of honest toil and human blood."
- Inquisitor Czevak
I really don't, because it's STILL a plot-hole.
Yes, you can come up with a bunch of reasons for it yourself to explain it. But when the medium itself doesn't provide a logical explanation, it's still technically a plot-hole.
And just because there is a plot-hole doesn't mean the whole thing is ruined. It just means that a thing happened without a logical reason.
All I said was, this is a plot hole. And by the definition of plot hole, it is.
The end.
It's not a plot hole. The medium doesn't have to provide a "logical explanation". Although possible explanations are there if one cares to look hard enough.
Once again, "plot hole": the most overused and misused term in entertainment.
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"Always be yourself... unless you suck."
I'm a little surprise Kortopi woul accept such a way of being implanted memories with.
Nobunaga is ready to cope with almost anything that would help him get to Kurapika, so it's understandable he'd take that risk.
Kortopi however did not display any behavior telling us he'd go that far. Or is it because they are part of the troupe and it's normal to exact revenge regardless of the costs/means?
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There just seems to be a very high level of trust between the members. That level varies, with Hisoka probably being the least trusted amongst everyone because of how new he is.
"You are not free whose liberty is won by the rigour of other, more righteous souls. Your are merely protected. Your freedom is parasitic, you suck the honourable man dry and offer nothing in return. You who have enjoyed freedom, who have done nothing to earn it, your time has come. This time you will stand alone and fight for yourselves. Now you will pay for your freedom in the currency of honest toil and human blood."
- Inquisitor Czevak
Why is trust necessary for accepting a memory bullet? It´s just an easy way to deliver information.
I´d rather like to know why all Troupe members are so goddam fast. Both Gon and Killua have been portrayed as extremely gifted individuals in terms of speed. Now, if Nen is used to increase your speed, wouldn´t that have been among the basic lessons when learning about it? Dunno, but imo these villains are too speedy.
I guess most of them, aside from Hisoka, have gone through a lot together. Considering their profession I don't think there should be any unconditional trust between them, but probably they believe they can judge each other and the situation somewhat accurately, again likely with the exception of Hisoka. They are all powerful but they should know there are people, like assassins of the Zoldyck family, who could take them out if they were all alone out there. Also, they can perform far greater heists together due to simple logistics. So, it's a risk to trust a technique like that, but it was a risk worth accepting right then and there.
Because out of that same gun, she's been show to fire bullets that blow peoples brains out. They don't necessarily have a way of telling which is coming out, so they'd have to trust that she intends to do what she says.
And yeah, you're right about them being pretty fast, but they're not prohibitively fast. Gon and Kurapica both were able to keep up with them, and Killua caught up to them. I'd take it that every single member of the spiders are specially talented.
"You are not free whose liberty is won by the rigour of other, more righteous souls. Your are merely protected. Your freedom is parasitic, you suck the honourable man dry and offer nothing in return. You who have enjoyed freedom, who have done nothing to earn it, your time has come. This time you will stand alone and fight for yourselves. Now you will pay for your freedom in the currency of honest toil and human blood."
- Inquisitor Czevak
Regarding speed, do not forget that Killua and Gon are around 12 of age, when the Troupe members are in their 20s.
Remember when Wing told us Gon is like one in a million in terms of potential?
Well, troupe members are probably on par with that scale, but have at least 5 years if not 10 using their powers, improving them even. Gon and Killua probably have less than a year of learning about Nen (and other powers) and are noobs at it.
So even if they are extremely talented/gifted and learn fast, the writer was careful enough to balance that out with the troupe members having great powers too and experience.
It's probably one of the reasons the show/manga has been popular in the begining. Even if in the end the MC wins, he has to work his ass to be able to do so, he has to find ideas, grow strong.
Sure at times, he seems to be too gifted, grow too quickly, but always after hard work/thinking. Unlike traditional Shonen, Gon and his friends grow from multiple experiences and ideas. Not just sheer power, or because they are MCs. And even when it happens, since it's not that often, it's not even a problem.
All the things I really like to do are either illegal, immoral, or fattening. And then: Golf.
That's actually the very definition of a plot hole.
"Gaps in a story where things happen without a logical reason."
It's actually not, you just think it is because you apparently don't know what the term "plot hole" means.
If you want to get technical, every mystery in a work qualifies as a plot hole until it's explained.
I'm sorry if you feel this means there's too many plot holes in entertainment, but it's not really up to you to define the term.
Another explanation might simply be that the bullet wouldn't make it through their Nen auras if they didn't suppress them.
Last edited by DarthEnderX; Wed, 11-21-2012 at 03:33 PM.
You do realize that "things happening without a logical reason" is not the same as not providing an explicit logical explanation for something that may be inferred implicitly from other information. Munsu's statement is consistent with your 'definition'.
There is enough information present in the story to come up with a logical explanation of why Chrollo would believe Pakunoda's mind reading wouldn't work on Hisoka and thus drop it from consideration(even if all of this went on inside his head). In particular, the Spiders have already acknowledged the chain user as an intelligent foe. It would not make sense to assume that your opponent (who you consider smart) would simply overlook Pakunoda's ability if told about it.
Was any of this explicitly laid out for the viewer? No, but that doesn't necessarily mean things happened "without a logical reason". The existence of even a single logical explanation (even if left unstated) that is consistent with the rest of the story prevents it from being a plot hole.
Last edited by Splash!; Wed, 11-21-2012 at 04:08 PM.
What Spash! said.
I don't believe it is if the viewer has to use facts not in evidence in order to arrive at said explanation.
The only 2 facts you need to give a possible 'logical' explanation of why Chrollo didn't give Pakunoda's mind reading much thought are:
1. He believes Hisoka told the Chain User about Pakunoda's ability.
2. He does not believe the Chain User is an idiot
Neither of these are facts not in evidence.
Do not wait for ep 57 this week since it will only air December 2.
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