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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco View Post
    The Specialist made the Nen explanations fall somewhat flat, though. If the Specialist is "something" not belonging to the other major categories, how can you say it's the farthest away from the Enhancer? Either it should be something more defined, not just a random junk pile for every weirder than usual power needed by the plot or it should be an unknown category and the whole diagram shouldn't be presented in such a solid form, because it's clearly not.
    I´d say Enhancer and Specialist are opposite in that the former is kinda the most simple Nen skill, while the latter requires lots of special circumstances, detail, thought, etc.. I mean, really, as an enhancer all you do is make "things" stronger, be it objects or your own body. As a specialist, I dunno, you´re free to do anything, but you have to come up with something yourself.

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    That was the fucking SHIT right there! I was not at all expecting them to actually fight in this ep, but damn was i pleasantly surprised!
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    I was blown away by the animation in this episode! God, I LOVE Madhouse! If only BONES and Madhouse did a collaboration together, it would be the best anime ever.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco View Post
    The Specialist made the Nen explanations fall somewhat flat, though. If the Specialist is "something" not belonging to the other major categories, how can you say it's the farthest away from the Enhancer? Either it should be something more defined, not just a random junk pile for every weirder than usual power needed by the plot or it should be an unknown category and the whole diagram shouldn't be presented in such a solid form, because it's clearly not.
    IMO, I think the specialist category is a convenient plot device the mangaka (Togashi) slotted in to open up more possibilities for future characters with unique abilities. It's also a smart way to cover your tracks because if he didn't, it would be just bad storytelling if the protagonists encountered a new type of enemy and their enemy will be explaining this specialist stuff all of a sudden. Additionally, it would make Wing and the Hunter organization look like a bunch of incompetent chumps if they can't classify their own/all powers in this universe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco View Post
    The Specialist made the Nen explanations fall somewhat flat, though. If the Specialist is "something" not belonging to the other major categories, how can you say it's the farthest away from the Enhancer? Either it should be something more defined, not just a random junk pile for every weirder than usual power needed by the plot or it should be an unknown category and the whole diagram shouldn't be presented in such a solid form, because it's clearly not.
    Specialist is still a class of its own, but the range of abilities within its user base is so diverse that they can't pin point it like with the others.

    Basically what they're saying is that it will be hard for an enhancer to acquire any skills outside of what's to be expected from the available classes. It's great for close ranged battles but it's also predictable.

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    Regarding the classification, maybe there are several versions running in the Hunter organisation and around the world.
    After all, this is important material regarding powerful people that either enforce law... or do the countrary.

    It would be no suprise if Wing only had knowledge of a simplified version. He could even know more but only mention that one.
    He also maybe did adapt to his audience abilities... and it's also easier on people watching the show.

    Wing probably also has his own limits in credentials and even skills/knowledge.

    Now regarding classifications, you guys know the one by D. Mendeleïev for the elements?
    It was incomplete, but was good enough for quite a long time and even had empty cells for elements we'd discover years later.
    Nowadays, it might start becoming a tad obsolete... but it still is a great tool/theory to start with for begginers.

    Pretty much like the explanation we had...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
    Specialist is still a class of its own, but the range of abilities within its user base is so diverse that they can't pin point it like with the others.
    We already have diverse classes: the five defined ones. Then we suddenly have a sixth class that's apparently a container for another set of diverse classes... Surely some of the Specialist skills are closer to one of the other five classes than the others. If they weren't, they wouldn't be diverse. For them to really be the sixth major class, they would need to be pretty similar to each other, and in that case they ought to have a decent, descriptive name. Or the Hunter agent should have just admitted Hunters don't know enough of the users and skills of the sixth class to name it properly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco View Post
    We already have diverse classes: the five defined ones. Then we suddenly have a sixth class that's apparently a container for another set of diverse classes... Surely some of the Specialist skills are closer to one of the other five classes than the others. If they weren't, they wouldn't be diverse. For them to really be the sixth major class, they would need to be pretty similar to each other, and in that case they ought to have a decent, descriptive name. Or the Hunter agent should have just admitted Hunters don't know enough of the users and skills of the sixth class to name it properly.
    Without spoiling, specialist users have abilities that can't be described by any of the other nen groups, at least without stretching things. You'll see that in general, people with nen abilities have abilities that are very obviously placeable in one group or another without having to go through hoops in order to place them there. So it's what enkoujin said, it's just a container for those abilities which aren't described by the other types, but the author wants to exist.

    Also, the placement makes sense if you look at it from the specialist users point of reference, and the implications that the placement makes. A specialist user will have a very hard time using enhancement nen, a hard time using emission and transmission, an easy time using manipulation and conjuration, while having the easiest time using nen from their own nen-type. If this is true for everyone who has abilities that cannot be explained by the other five categories of nen, then this is THE reason for creating the specialist group and placing it in relation to the others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uchiha Barles View Post
    Also, the placement makes sense if you look at it from the specialist users point of reference, and the implications that the placement makes. A specialist user will have a very hard time using enhancement nen, a hard time using emission and transmission, an easy time using manipulation and conjuration, while having the easiest time using nen from their own nen-type. If this is true for everyone who has abilities that cannot be explained by the other five categories of nen, then this is THE reason for creating the specialist group and placing it in relation to the others.
    If that's the case, then why a totally vague name like a Specialist? Everybody who specialized in something is a specialist. It means absolutely nothing. If there're enough common traits among them to genuinely group them together into the sixth class and say they are at a uniform distance from the other five classes, then for sure they deserve a descriptive name.

    Otherwise it's just a pile of junk and there's no claiming they are equally difficult for the Nen users of other classes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco View Post
    The Specialist made the Nen explanations fall somewhat flat, though. If the Specialist is "something" not belonging to the other major categories, how can you say it's the farthest away from the Enhancer? Either it should be something more defined, not just a random junk pile for every weirder than usual power needed by the plot or it should be an unknown category and the whole diagram shouldn't be presented in such a solid form, because it's clearly not.
    The diagram really only exists to show the difficulty in using abilities in relation to your preferred type.

    For whatever reason the "abilities that don't fall into other categories" are extremely difficult for Enhancers to use, and for whatever reason, Specialists find Enhancement very difficult to use.

    Is it unlikely that all of those Misc. powers would just so happen to be opposed to Enhancement? Yes. But that's the way it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco View Post
    If that's the case, then why a totally vague name like a Specialist? Everybody who specialized in something is a specialist. It means absolutely nothing. If there're enough common traits among them to genuinely group them together into the sixth class and say they are at a uniform distance from the other five classes, then for sure they deserve a descriptive name.

    Otherwise it's just a pile of junk and there's no claiming they are equally difficult for the Nen users of other classes.


    The grouping together of those abilities doesn't come because of common traits among them, but because the abilities are not classifiable within the other groups, it's a catch-all. Or a "pile of junk" as you put it. They're hatsu, just not hatsu that can be classified by the other five nen categories. Furthermore, the abilities can differ greatly from each other. A person whose nen allowed him to use abilities you might classify as "absorption" needs to exist side by side in the same group with someone whose abilities you might identify as "necromancy". This of course assuming that neither of the abilities falls into any of the other classes. That "need to exist in the same group" is addressed in the second paragraph below. So the name of the category has to reflect that. Specialization might not have been the name you chose, but it works.

    Now, without knowing more about specialist users you can't really place them in that diagram properly, but IF the specialist group is already placed in that diagram, then you can make the inference that specialist users share that common ability distribution. If that inference proves to be true, then that's all the explanation that's required.
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    Episode 36

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    Can we just have about 100 straight episodes of Gon and Hisoka fighting each other? Thanks.

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    Man, Hisoka is one pervy weirdo lol
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    The lolz man, the lolz! Hisoka really *cock*ed back on those punches xD. It's too bad this is over but if things keep up, there's even greater goodness to come.
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    They, like, completely changed the appearance of the Author Avatar in this episode from the one in the previous series.

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    You know, I reeeeally don´t get why HXH never became the most popular shounen series ... which it deserves/deserved to become. Why are Naruto or One Piece more popular? Makes no sense to me. HXH is shounen done right and done in perfection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFauli View Post
    You know, I reeeeally don´t get why HXH never became the most popular shounen series ... which it deserves/deserved to become. Why are Naruto or One Piece more popular? Makes no sense to me. HXH is shounen done right and done in perfection.
    Yaoi shotacon maybe?

    Or the pace, I think I remember the original is a tad slow paced.
    Also, it's not very flashy with attack names and lights coming from everywhere with power over 9000.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David75 View Post
    Yaoi shotacon maybe?
    Yeah. HxH has basically no girls except one arc wonders. That must have also mattered in the popularity contest. HxH has interesting plots & world, good action & fights, worthy adversaries, quite solid development, but that only goes so far. If you want to aim for the top spot, you need to cover all the major bases. However, even if this isn't the top series, it's still better the mangaka rather did what he wanted and not calculated everything to artificially boost the popularity (like Bakuman teaches).

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFauli View Post
    You know, I reeeeally don´t get why HXH never became the most popular shounen series ... which it deserves/deserved to become. Why are Naruto or One Piece more popular? Makes no sense to me. HXH is shounen done right and done in perfection.
    Because Ninjas and Pirates are more interesting concepts to base a series around that Hunters, which is basically just a catch-all for "guys with powers".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco View Post
    Yeah. HxH has basically no girls except one arc wonders. That must have also mattered in the popularity contest. HxH has interesting plots & world, good action & fights, worthy adversaries, quite solid development, but that only goes so far.
    My heart sunk a little while reading that because I know just how true it is. *shakes head*
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