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    Quote Originally Posted by DarthEnderX View Post
    Not arguing that. Just arguing with Kraco's "he couldn't fight decently to begin with" statement. Being weaker than Youpi and Pitou and being weaker than anyone on the human team is a vast power gulf. It took 5 of them to even bring Youpi to the point where he wanted to make an agreement with them.
    And one of them was Killua, who was using Godspeed.
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    The ants aren't really that fast (except the King, especially in his current state). They are just stupidly tough. Without that almost cheat like toughness, they would already be dead many times over. Rather than them being great fighters, they are just great survivors.
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    Technically I said he has no confidence in his own fighting power, which makes him weak. If he's ready to tell others they shouldn't spare opponents, he surely shouldn't do it himself. However, I reckon there's another facet to his weakness as a warrior: He places no intrinsic worth in the act of fighting itself and thus not on the fighting strength either. He's only looking for the profit vanquishing someone might bring. I suppose that's the outlook of modern warfare in RL, but these guys are mostly martial artists, so it's disastrous to his practical battle prowess. Pouf can't dream of beating people who have given their all to train upon training and acquiring battle wisdom from multiple sources if he doesn't give a shit about his own strength and only hopes to somehow reach his objective.

    Naturally he is helped by the bullshit divine strength of these ants; they don't need to do anything and they are basically as strong as the most experienced human nen masters. Pouf should have that potential as well, he's just utterly lacking the will and interest.

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    So they have reached Kite. Will Gon just suddenly attack Nef once she fails to restore Kite?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco
    Killua going all biribiri is pretty cool. Such mastery of an element is no doubt a sign of nen mastery. A few eps ago he was even reviving himself directly from a power socket, which is quite significant in my opinion
    I'm not so sure. Killua recharged because electric Nen drains really fast. He claimed that he can play tag all night, but whether that's the case in practice is yet to be seen.

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    Looking at the situation a bit deeper, he didn't accept Youpi honouring the agreement, which suggests in Pouf's opinion leaving opponents alive using any reason or excuse is not good
    I don't think that's the case, but rather that leaving an enemy to live when you could easily kill them only leaves problems for the future.

    Escaping instead of fighting Morel meant that he could trap Morel with his undersized self. I agree that Pouf's never thought "I'll beat the shit out of this guy", and I think his cautiousness prevents him from doing so anyway.

    As for Gon, I'm only slightly curious. His "lost it" mentality doesn't really interest me all that much.

    Palm on the other hand is looking rather sexy these days

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian View Post
    I'm not so sure. Killua recharged because electric Nen drains really fast. He claimed that he can play tag all night, but whether that's the case in practice is yet to be seen.
    The ability to recharge itself was significant in my opinion. Normally you'd think a nen user needs to rest, eat, and build up his lost stamina like a normal human, which is a rather slow process. Killua can simply stick his fingers into a power socket. Assuming a 16A fuse, he should be back to a top condition in no time! As long as they aren't in a backwards country, finding electricity outlets isn't really all that difficult. When you think about it, elemental powers aren't rare in fiction, and oft the elementalists are resistant to their own element, but only a fraction of them can eat that element to regain their strength quickly.

    I'm sure he will be able to extent the time he can use electricity as he trains and grows up. He's still rather small, after all, and battery capacity is directly related to the volume of the battery as well.

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    You make it sound like he can use electricity to just cure whatever ails him. Stanima loss, Nen depletion, injuries etc.

    I just took it to mean that his lightning powers require a charge, and he can't use them without recharging. But that doesn't mean he can't use his other Nen abilities.

    Sure, it's great that he can artificially charge his special powers, but if he can only use them for 30 seconds at a time before needing to recharge, that seems like a drawback, not a benefit.

    Compare that to someone like Morel, who can use his powers continuously for days at a time. Would it matter if he could recharge them at a smokestack? Not if they never run out in the first place.

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    Sure, if we are talking about haxors who never run out... But then again, Morel didn't really manage to do a whole lot in this battle, did he, despite never running out (although he could do jack shit after stupidly losing his pipe to Pouf of all opponents; a huge weakness if any)? I admit we don't know yet enough about Killua's power to judge it sufficiently. And no, I very much doubt he can cure everything by sucking electricity. But if he can recharge his electricity based nen that way, then it's all good and nothing bad, as the alternative would be to rest like any regular person. I'm sure he can gradually extend the time he can wield it as well. Electricity also doesn't seem to be hugely popular among nen fighters, which means few opponents would know how to defend against it; even a monster like Youpi was helpless, although being a monster he didn't take too much damage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco View Post
    (although he could do jack shit after stupidly losing his pipe to Pouf of all opponents; a huge weakness if any)?
    Absolutely. Other characters have different kinds of weaknesses.

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    But if he can recharge his electricity based nen that way, then it's all good and nothing bad, as the alternative would be to rest like any regular person.
    I still think you're looking at it backwards. Nobody else NEEDS to recharge their special Nen ability so quickly. Kurapica's chains never seem to run out of energy. Knuckle's ability works regardless of his own personal condition. Neither of their powers seem to weaken them, or disappear when they have to rest.

    Conversely, a special ability that has to be recharged by a physical source after a very short amount of time in use seems like all bad, nothing good to me.

    What if he was in a place like where Netero and Meruem fought, where there is no electrical source nearby? He'd be screwed.

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    Some powerful abilities can only work for short periods of time. Don't forget Kurapika's eyes. Killua's electricity belongs to that category, only his can be charged, while Kurapika needs actual rest.
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    At least he said he could go all day just using the insane speed boost. Maybe the heavy attacks he used against Youpi were too much. Also, though I'm repeating myself, he's still a kid. How long has he trained his electro attacks? Months? A year at most. And nobody can help him with it, since most people wouldn't be able to handle it.

    I actually like it more that they would get tired instead of going forever like a duracell bunny. It's far more human and makes fights more exciting. The arc is already losing it, or lost it, with the King becoming a god. The last thing we need is all the others becoming mini-gods as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco View Post
    Maybe the heavy attacks he used against Youpi were too much.
    Yeah, I'm guessing either he wasn't fully charged to begin with, or the giant lightning bolt he used at the start to attack Youpi drained a ton of energy. Which would make sense, given that more range with an electrical arc means more...amps? Or volts? One of those two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarthEnderX View Post
    Yeah, I'm guessing either he wasn't fully charged to begin with, or the giant lightning bolt he used at the start to attack Youpi drained a ton of energy. Which would make sense, given that more range with an electrical arc means more...amps? Or volts? One of those two.
    More potential difference, I'd say. That is, volts.

    As for the argument about his ability, Electrifying his Nen is what drains his Nen quickly. I assume that in the same way Killua changes Nen to electricity, he changes electricity into Nen when he recharges. That shouldn't heal him by default, but he could heal using enforcer abilities if he's good enough with it.

    Whether or not he can gain significant usage time depends on whether Killua's got good endurance to begin with. If he didn't, then it could be worked on. If he's already above average in that regard, then I don't think it would help terribly much since that means the electrical inefficiency is the dominant factor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian View Post
    More potential difference, I'd say. That is, volts.
    It's whichever one makes a tesla coil shoot really far without actually being harmful. I don't remember which it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian View Post
    As for the argument about his ability, Electrifying his Nen is what drains his Nen quickly. I assume that in the same way Killua changes Nen to electricity, he changes electricity into Nen when he recharges. That shouldn't heal him by default, but he could heal using enforcer abilities if he's good enough with it.

    Whether or not he can gain significant usage time depends on whether Killua's got good endurance to begin with. If he didn't, then it could be worked on. If he's already above average in that regard, then I don't think it would help terribly much since that means the electrical inefficiency is the dominant factor.
    I don't see how he could have a high efficiency yet considering he basically used such grand electric attacks now for the first time. I also doubt he had ever before used his electricity for really extended times under varying combat circumstances. He might have in the past tried how long he could maintain a simple arc, but that's vastly different from what he's doing now. He's not a super uber hyper ant who is born with all the abilities at 100%, so he needs to train for years, just like Netero demonstrated. Nor would his kid's body have as much basic endurance as an adult body (just look at what sort of a hulk his dad is).

    Everybody who uses nen for anything concrete is turning their nen into something else. It might be just muscle power like Gon, or something more bizarre like bombs. Turning it into electricity is nothing fancy at all in that sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco View Post
    Everybody who uses nen for anything concrete is turning their nen into something else. It might be just muscle power like Gon, or something more bizarre like bombs.
    You realize though that bomb guy doesn't have to, like, eat a bunch of bombs after he uses his power, and why that's a huge benefit right?

    Killua basically has an ammo limit on his power that can only be reloaded by external means, that other characters don't have.

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    All of these ants are more or less haxors, so I'm going to discount them. Aside from occasional stupidity they have no weaknesses whatsoever. Though we don't know if they actually might have a single one: The lifespan of an ant.

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    Did anything else happen with that other "mini-human-baby" that was born together with Meruem? Have they even mentioned that since then or did i dream that shit up lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Penner View Post
    Did anything else happen with that other "mini-human-baby" that was born together with Meruem? Have they even mentioned that since then or did i dream that shit up lol
    Colt went off to raise the baby himself.

    I don't think any of the other Ants even know it exists.

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    It looks like Gon will turn into Gollum, with two personalities arguing with each other inside his head, sometimes one having control of the body, sometimes the other. And one of them is murderous.

    This wasn't a very good episode, but I guess every series is fated to have such every now and then.

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