Fate/Zero

[Archangel]

The Einzbern make the best sex dolls ever.

[shinta|hikari]

How the fuck did Kirei survive until the next grail war with Kiritsugu alive?

[Archangel]

FSN Kiritsugu is a broken and cursed man, i doubt he has any sort of vengeance in him after what's about to go down.

[Buffalobiian]

How the fuck did Kirei survive until the next grail war with Kiritsugu alive?

He was banking on the Grail to end all conflicts of the world to the point where he'd have to sacrifice his loved ones for it. After learning that it can only grant wishes through destruction, I gather that he decided such an ideal was impossible to achieve and stopped going it. Saving the world was pointless, trying to do so is futile.

He was tainted with the grail too, and the pain was supposed to be pretty unbearable. Kirei loves that shit though, so that's probably why he remained active a lot more.

I don't even know if Kiritsugu killing his father could be called "revenge" so to speak, or whether it was in order to prevent a similar disaster..

edit:

The Einzbern make the best sex dolls ever.

True, that. However, that scene also reiterated the point for me that screwing a broken lump of meat really doesn't cut it.

[Kraco]

Kirei surely isn't empty anymore. He's full of the same shit that's filling the grail.

It's a small miracle Kiritsugu managed to linger long enough to twist Shirou into such a hero worshipper, considering everything we have seen him go through in this show. But then again, it seems their first meeting was the turning point for Shirou already, so maybe Kiritsugu didn't need to do much afterwards.

[shinta|hikari]

Still, I will be pretty pissed if Kiritsugu just left Kirei alive for no good reason.

[NeoCybercoin]

[Commie] Fate/Zero 23

[Buffalobiian]

UTW - Episode 23

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Now that was an impressive Iskandar.

btw, who was it who told me Berserker wasn't Lancelot when I guessed a while back (and sent me on a wild goose chase). >_>

[Kraco]

That was quite an episode. Iskandar fell very similarly to Berserker of the Fate route. It also feels like, after episodes like this, that Gilgamesh's strength in FSN is cast into new light. Hard to say if that makes Shirou's prowess against him more or less impressive, though. After seeing Gil like this, it's pretty obvious he wasn't taking Shirou seriously at all. Narutally that's also a fatal flaw in fighting skills, making one weaker.

Kariya is dying suitably painfully. A fitting end for such a fool.

Based on the preview shit's going to hit the fan already. As this season is 12 eps long, meaning there's still an episode left after the next one, the very ending doesn't seem overly abrupt. That's good.

[David75]

That was quite an episode. Iskandar fell very similarly to Berserker of the Fate route. It also feels like, after episodes like this, that Gilgamesh's strength in FSN is cast into new light. Hard to say if that makes Shirou's prowess against him more or less impressive, though. After seeing Gil like this, it's pretty obvious he wasn't taking Shirou seriously at all. Narutally that's also a fatal flaw in fighting skills, making one weaker.

Kariya is dying suitably painfully. A fitting end for such a fool.

Based on the preview shit's going to hit the fan already. As this season is 12 eps long, meaning there's still an episode left after the next one, the very ending doesn't seem overly abrupt. That's good.

It's highly probable FSN Gil is underpowered too.

[Buffalobiian]

That was quite an episode. Iskandar fell very similarly to Berserker of the Fate route. It also feels like, after episodes like this, that Gilgamesh's strength in FSN is cast into new light. Hard to say if that makes Shirou's prowess against him more or less impressive, though. After seeing Gil like this, it's pretty obvious he wasn't taking Shirou seriously at all. Narutally that's also a fatal flaw in fighting skills, making one weaker.

Gil vs Shirou in FSN? There's no way he would have taken him seriously. Either you meant Gil vs Saber, or you meant UTW instead.

[Ryllharu]

Gilgamesh doesn't even take Saber that seriously in FSN. He sees her as a feisty cat to be tamed, not as a worthy foe. Only inside a Reality Marble could Gil use the full power of Ea, since it destroys worlds. Thus, he never unleashed its full power.

Gilgamesh's greatest weakness has always been his arrogance which leads him to underestimate his opponents.

[Xelbair]

Gil vs Shirou in FSN? There's no way he would have taken him seriously. Either you meant Gil vs Saber, or you meant UBW instead.

Gil vs Shirou in UBW - Shirou won thanks to three things:
1) he had access to excessive amount of mana(from Rin)
2) He knew how to wield those weapons properly.
3) Gil had limited mana(he had to feed on humans to gain it, grail wasn't keeping him in this world, and mana from Kotomine(if he got any) wasn't enough)
Basically Gilgamesh has grand armory of weapons, but he doesn't know how to wield them - even if Shirou's weapon got destroyed he just projected another one - and thanks to training with Saber/observing Archer he was pretty good with swords.
Plus he is arrogant as fuck - if he used Ea vs Shirou, it would be instakill.

[Archangel]

Gil vs Shirou in UBW - Shirou won thanks to three things:
1) he had access to excessive amount of mana(from Rin)
2) He knew how to wield those weapons properly.
3) Gil had limited mana(he had to feed on humans to gain it, grail wasn't keeping him in this world, and mana from Kotomine(if he got any) wasn't enough)

1) Excessive is the wrong word, he had enough to use his weapons.
2) Not properly, just better than Gilgamesh. There's a reason why he kept himself in range for close combat as well, it denied Gil of the possibility to use his power as the Archer class.
3) This is just wrong in every way, Gilgamesh had infinite mana as he was being fed directly from the grail.

Oh and 4) the chains we saw weren't usable against him in any meaningful way because they're made to hold divinities. As we saw it in the UBW route, they were just normal chains when used against Shirou.

But the bottom line is what everyone's been saying all along, he was arrogant and conceited which eventually brought his downfall. His pride would have never allowed him to go all out against a human from the get go.

Gilgamesh doesn't even take Saber that seriously in FSN. He sees her as a feisty cat to be tamed, not as a worthy foe. Only inside a Reality Marble could Gil use the full power of Ea, since it destroys worlds. Thus, he never unleashed its full power.

He's as arrogant as ever around her but he does take her seriously, otherwise he would have never have used Ea against her.

PS: You know, this is total bulshit. I could have been surprised by Berserker's identity if that ending of him standing in front of a lake in season 1 hadn't completely ruined it.

[shinta|hikari]

I wouldn't. A knight hunting for Arthur? Only 2 viable options come to mind, and only one is an actual knight.

[David75]

[Commie] Fate ⁄ Zero - 24 [0F813FE3].mkv

The show is nice and all, action, effects, animation, scenario and intricate ideas.

But it is somehow a little too heavy to my liking.

We knew from FSN that this war was a mess. It is, on such a large scale.


Now I understand why Archer was so bored at first. Owning all of the treasures of the world, if the grail was so great, he'd have it. Since he didn't know about it, it could only be a deception...

[shinta|hikari]

This is an absolute masterpiece.

The master battle was epic.

Kiritsugu deserves to be god.

[Archangel]

<Arkangel> God damn
<Arkangel> Fate Zero is beyond good
<Arkangel> It's a fucking masterpiece

I think we even posted it at the same time Shinta

Either you agree or disagree with his motives his commitment is without question and his ideals are unwavering. I'm in awe of this character and of how well it is written.

[Buffalobiian]

UTW - Episode 24

[shinta|hikari]

And the fact that he actually does love those two is what makes it amazing. If he was cold and fine about it, it wouldn't be as big a sacrifice.

Dad > Teacher > Maiya > Daughter > Lover... Amazing. (arrows, not math symbols)

Ilya was so cute in that scene. This show just has it all.