Fate/Zero

[Buffalobiian]

With that aside..... Isn't Rin like 6 or something at this time? The close-up skirt shot I felt was really inappropriate.

The FSN game explicitly says that "All characters in this game are over 18 years of age", so that makes Rin 8 here. Not as inappropriate as you think.

That felt fillerish

As in this filled your heart with warmth and fuwafuwa..

[shinta|hikari]

It was very appropriate.

[Kraco]

Didn't they just want to show Rin has been a zettai ryouiki supporter since the beginning?

[Archangel]

As in this filled your heart with warmth and fuwafuwa..

As in there was no plot development or change in the status quo.

[Belial]

Hope this was the worst episodes in an otherwise great series... can't believe there are actually people who liked it ... to each his own i guess

[shinta|hikari]

It's because we like Rin... a lot.

[Buffalobiian]

It's because we like Rin... a lot.

Talk about an understatement..

[shinta|hikari]

I was trying to be modest.

[Kraco]

I can certainly see, objectively speaking, how this episode would have even sucked for a casual watcher. It was meant solely for Rin fanboys (and -girls), no doubt of that. Of course my view is hopelessly biased being a Rin fan, but considering this is still just entertainment, I don't see anything particularly wrong about having an ep like this if they can afford it the total number of episodes wise. After all, for the considerable number of Rin fans, this was a fair.

[shinta|hikari]

I seriously fear for my health and sanity if they ever release a loli Arturia episode.

[David75]

I liked the ep as a potential father, it might also work that way. I somehow was able to understand Rin's father patience and fatherly love although I probably will never be a father. With that idea in mind, the marvel lied elsewhere, in the smiles she gets when she's able to perform her magic, or when she watches the gem horse.
Also, it is quite a contrast with the image she gace from her father in the next war. You could think she kept her tender moments to herself as her real gems, but pre-adult Rin seems to have anger against her Father. Probably for something he will (or won't) do in the eps to come. My guess being protecting her mother.

[bagandscalpel]

I seriously fear for my health and sanity if they ever release a loli Arturia episode.

So, it'd be Type Moon's adaptation of the first quarter of The Once and Future King, or The Sword in the Stone?

[KrayZ33]

Hope this was the worst episodes in an otherwise great series... can't believe there are actually people who liked it ... to each his own i guess

I found this episode alot more exciting than 9 (too bad caster wasn't at his hideout)
the problem is, everyone knew nothing serious/huge is going to happen and everyone knew that Rin would survive this. thanks to fate/stay night

[shinta|hikari]

That's true. Had we not known her fate (pun intended), it was a pretty suspenseful episode.

@Bag - *Imagination ablaze* Type moon needs to do a Sword in the Stone prequel, even if it is only a VN.

[Ryllharu]

It was meant solely for Rin fanboys (and -girls), no doubt of that. Of course my view is hopelessly biased being a Rin fan, but considering this is still just entertainment, I don't see anything particularly wrong about having an ep like this if they can afford it the total number of episodes wise. After all, for the considerable number of Rin fans, this was a fair.

As gotwoot's primary (only?) Sakura fan, I heavily approved of this episode.

It's just that some people are only in it for the fights, not any level of characterization. It's the difference between fans who think UBW is the be-all-end-all arc, and fans of all three arcs. It wasn't just chibi-Rin fanservice, it had good development for Tokiomi, who thus far, hadn't had much otherwise.

...and that pied piper shit was creepy.

[Buffalobiian]

Also, it is quite a contrast with the image she gace from her father in the next war. You could think she kept her tender moments to herself as her real gems, but pre-adult Rin seems to have anger against her Father. Probably for something he will (or won't) do in the eps to come. My guess being protecting her mother.

Or learning about Sakura's fate.

So, it'd be Type Moon's adaptation of the first quarter of The Once and Future King, or The Sword in the Stone?

aka the loli and Merlin?

[shinta|hikari]

I would prefer the loli and the sword.

I agree with Ryll. It wasn't an empty episode. It probably had more characterization than the previous one. We all knew Rider and his master were like that before that episode, but we never knew Tokiomi was such an understanding father, despite those blank eyes.

[Ryllharu]

Or learning about Sakura's fate.

Except Rin never knew what they did to Sakura after she entered the Matou household. She only felt bad that she never spoke to her (at school or wherever). She felt guilty that she too had abandoned her own sister, that she never went to rescue her from Shinji. Rin could never even guess at what Zouken did to Sakura, she's too pure-hearted.

(source: episode 18 of the the FSN anime)

[Buffalobiian]

I meant knowing why Sakura had to be given away. The opening episode gave me the impression that Rin was simply told that Sakura was a Matou now and no longer her sister. I would think they owe her a better explanation than that, and when that comes it would be evident that Tokiomi chose to be a Mage over a father.

[Ryllharu]

I wouldn't say that. He threw away Sakura, for sure, but he does give Rin undivided attention. Would he have been able to do the same for two daughters? Would one have developed resentment toward the other? (Though that happened anyway.)

He's a bastard, but presuming he didn't know exactly what Zouken intended for her, instead of two moderately well trained daughters, he gets to train one to the height of her abilities, and as far as he knows, the other is getting similar treatment. Then again, judging from Aoi's statements in the first episode...they probably do know.

I don't know if it is quite as simple as, "he chose to groom a successor instead of being a father." He was pretty fatherly to Rin in this episode. He was patient with her in a way he isn't to even Gilgamesh or Kirei.

(By the way, Sakura is much more powerful than Rin anyway. Tokiomi obviously threw away the wrong daughter if he was only after the best successor. The worms haven't consumed Sakura the way they did Kariya, and she's undoubtedly suffered as much as he has this past year. If that's not a testament to her potential, I don't know what is.)