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    Does Lancer have a cure/dispel for the curse, or is it permanent until he dies? If it's the former, I'm half-expecting him to heal Saber in/after this battle. I don't really have any evidence to base this on, but he seems to be a warrior of honour, so I feel like he'd be ashamed to fight with/against someone with a handicap, even if he was the cause of it in a previous battle.

    Looking forward to watching this episode again on Bluray.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alhuin View Post
    Does Lancer have a cure/dispel for the curse, or is it permanent until he dies? If it's the former, I'm half-expecting him to heal Saber in/after this battle. I don't really have any evidence to base this on, but he seems to be a warrior of honour, so I feel like he'd be ashamed to fight with/against someone with a handicap, even if he was the cause of it in a previous battle.

    Looking forward to watching this episode again on Bluray.
    In real life battles, they put garlic and other things on blades so that even if they did not kill immediately, it would be difficult/impossible to heal after being wounded. So for any rule outside the grail war ones, I guess lancer comes with the ones of his time.
    Now even if he can stop the curse, he still wants the grail. He knows that eventually he'll face Saber again and he needs that advantage he created for himself to increase the chances of beating her. If someone else beats her, all the better I guess.

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    Yeah, there's nothing dishonest about that wound. Even Saber herself doesn't consider it such - quite the contrary: she blames herself for it, due to carelessness and underestimating Lancer. It's really not that much different compared to Saber's own invisible sword, only it has a more lasting effect.

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    I don't believe Lancer can cure curses. He's a Lancer, not a Healer or Caster. I consider the lance to be cursed, him his attacks.

    Which is funny.. consider the case where he pricks his own finger. xD

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    Well the wound does not keep bleeding, as seen in Saber's case, but the damage seems permanent. Pricking his finger would do practically nothing in terms of damage.
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    I agree, there's no dishonor in fighting a wounded enemy you wounded yourself.

    It's Saber's fault for being careless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shinta|hikari View Post
    Well the wound does not keep bleeding, as seen in Saber's case, but the damage seems permanent. Pricking his finger would do practically nothing in terms of damage.
    Yeah, that's the strange part. It's weird for a would to be able to heal, yet not heal.

    I personally think it's a nerf so that someone can't just bleed to death from ANY wound.

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    It's probably just the nerve damage that's maintained.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
    It's probably just the nerve damage that's maintained.
    It would be extremely difficult to damage the nerve in the wrist such that only the thumb was wounded. And nerves don't exactly heal very well neither.

    I'm pretty sure it's a ligament/tendon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian View Post
    I don't believe Lancer can cure curses. He's a Lancer, not a Healer or Caster. I consider the lance to be cursed, him his attacks.

    Which is funny.. consider the case where he pricks his own finger. xD
    Next war lancer had good magic skills and also had a cursed lance. This war lancer has a cursed lance and his master is a very high level magician, it would not be strange he also possess some magical skills. Or it's just that his master put a curse spell on his lance (but I doubt it).

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    Quote Originally Posted by David
    (but I doubt it).
    I doubt it too. The whole point of his spears (and his Noble Phantasms) is the curse and anti-magic ability. If one or both of them were instilled by his current master, Lancer would be pretty worthless, lol.

    You're right in that 5th war Lancer had a curse on his.. I wasn't aware that he had any magical ability worth mentioning though. Curses themselves are something of a common theme in Irish Folklore.. so I was siding with the belief that these warriors obtained their weapons rather than crafting it or enchanting it themselves.

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    The UBW arc is the only one (I think) where we learn of 5th war lancer magical abilities.
    The anti-healing curse is mentionned in the FSN anime, around the time Excalibur's scabbard is introduced.

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    5th War Lancer could use Runes but that is the closest thing he has to magic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoCybercoin View Post
    5th War Lancer could use Runes but that is the closest thing he has to magic.
    I do remember the narration telling he had a good level in magic in the game's UBW arc. But it's not that important since he only used some runes to light the fire burning the place.

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    He was, but he could only use runes(which were pretty strong, but they had limited effect types), saber can't use her thumb, and believe me - fighting with two-handed sword without one thumb is nigh impossible if you want to use two hands.(yes i'm speaking from experience about that one)
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    ...really? You got into a lot of duels using a broadsword and without your thumbs? Is that your average Tuesday?

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    While your sarcasm is warranted, what he says does make sense. Still, Saber can fight fine without one hand. What she can't do is use her noble phantasm, which is deadly in a war of such a high level.
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    I understand the point but the fact remains that the injury is her own fault, she underperformed during her battle with Lancer and has been falling short ever since as well.

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    Oh I am not refuting that. I agree. I just wanted to set things straight to those who think hack and slash battles are important to Arturia if she had both hands.
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    While Lancer is pretty badass for wielding 2 lances, if this is all his Noble Phantasm's can do it's pretty boring. One just pierces magic armor, and the other inflicts unhealable wounds.

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