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  1. Sun, 12-18-2011, 08:41 AM #401
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco View Post
    The sudden appearance of the magic circle that summoned Saber in the next war was given a proper explanation here, which might be the most important detail of that whole part of the episode.
    This is what I came here to say. It finally makes sense that a circle would just randomly appear for Saber to be summoned through. It was always there. Saber has both a connection to the circle (since I suppose Saber is actually doing inscribing it), the place, and with Iris powering/utilizing it, it should have considerable strength to last the ten years it takes for Shirou to take advantage of it.

    The Gil/Kirei conversations are interesting though. We can see that Gilgamesh isn't twisting Kirei into the person he became, he is merely helping Kirei past the barriers he placed upon himself. Kirei couldn't find joy because his source of joy has always been the suffering of others, he simply denied them because he was trying to be a good member of the Church. I guess it wasn't the Grail that corrupted him as he stated in FSN. It was this war that made him finally realize the truth. The Grail is just his means to achieve that level of "entertainment."

    Those are Kariya's command seals, no? Are we meant to think that Tokiomi killed him?
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  2. Sun, 12-18-2011, 09:21 AM #402
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    Interesting... The Grail really does have a thing for Kirei doesn't it? Giving him command seals even without any of the other masters having lost theirs.
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  3. Sun, 12-18-2011, 09:50 AM #403
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    Maybe you want to have your command spells ready when needed?
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  4. Sun, 12-18-2011, 10:08 AM #404
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    Those are Kariya's command seals, no? Are we meant to think that Tokiomi killed him?
    Weren't they just Kirei's command spells that got taken when his servant died? The grail couldn't find anyone more suitable and went "here.. have another go".
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  5. Sun, 12-18-2011, 11:00 AM #405
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian View Post
    Weren't they just Kirei's command spells that got taken when his servant died? The grail couldn't find anyone more suitable and went "here.. have another go".
    Yeah, they're Kirei's again, but I guess I got them confused with Caster's master's seals, which I got confused thinking Kariya had. They're definitely not Kariya's.

    But then their discussion doesn't really make sense. Isn't it over if the Servant died? Another Servant isn't going to get summoned, the Wars would never reach an end. This was the rule we learned from FSN, why a Master would run to the Church. Kirei and Archer discussed killing Masters as a strategy to make sure they wouldn't take over when the Grail redistributes seals from a different Master's death.

    So why would Kirei get his own back? He lacks a Servant, and if he stole another servant, as he did in the 5th War, he would get their Master's command seals, being the next most suitable candidate.
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  6. Sun, 12-18-2011, 11:12 AM #406
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    His father has spare command spells. Maybe the grail could use the power left in some of them. Meaning someone has to kill Kirei's father to prevent him from giving other command spells.
    But that wasn't hinting that ep, so it's strange indeed. Unless Gilgamesh did talk to Kirei's father beforehand and ask him to do that....

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  7. Sun, 12-18-2011, 11:22 AM #407
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    Quote Originally Posted by David75 View Post
    His father has spare command spells. Maybe the grail could use the power left in some of them. Meaning someone has to kill Kirei's father to prevent him from giving other command spells.
    But that wasn't hinting that ep, so it's strange indeed. Unless Gilgamesh did talk to Kirei's father beforehand and ask him to do that....
    Or maybe SOMETHING (that shall remain nameless and clouded in mystery) is using the power within the grail to ascertain and then favor its own master.
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  8. Mon, 12-19-2011, 01:34 AM #408
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    Kiritsugu really should get out the warranty for that Einzbern Moe Sex Robot™; thing's defects are starting to show.

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  9. Mon, 12-19-2011, 01:28 PM #409
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    It's okay, he already made a new one but due to legal reasons he can't use it yet until it matures.
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  10. Sat, 12-24-2011, 07:28 PM #410
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    Was looking forward to tonight's episode..... only to remember that the series is now on break!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Idealistic View Post
    Was looking forward to tonight's episode..... only to remember that the series is now on break!
    Episode 13 was released today. Second half starts with episode 14 in April.
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    Episode 13

    [UTW] Fate Zero - 13 - 720p: Torrent | DDL1 | DDL2
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  13. Sun, 12-25-2011, 02:23 AM #413
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    That's some BS, they finally gear up for some action after a few eps of fairly heavy with dialogue and low on action and then they cut away for 3 months. And we still don't know how or why Kirei got his Command Spells back...
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  14. Sun, 12-25-2011, 03:34 AM #414
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yukimura View Post
    That's some BS, they finally gear up for some action after a few eps of fairly heavy with dialogue and low on action and then they cut away for 3 months. And we still don't know how or why Kirei got his Command Spells back...
    Kirei got his spell back because the Grail chose him. The grail was obliged to take it away since he lost his servant. After considering who it should give to command spell to, it decided that there was no better person than Kirei.

    But I agree that it was quite a meh build-up episode. We already know about Rider and his ambitions - and no one cares about Waver or the nutcase duo.

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  15. Sun, 12-25-2011, 06:47 AM #415
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    Yeah, even I am forced to admit much of this episode was wasted. Almost like they were merely playing time only to make a cliffhanger ending before the long pause.

    If they couldn't put any real and meaningful action in, at least they should have shown us Rin and Sakura instead of emo Waver's inferiority complex...
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  16. Sun, 12-25-2011, 06:54 AM #416
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    Fuck! Why do we have to wait until April....
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  17. Sun, 12-25-2011, 12:43 PM #417
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    atleast we are going to get an epic battle the moment the next season starts, we can even expect berserker to show up to get another command spell.

    we can even hope for another double episode to make this battle more entertaining
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  18. Mon, 12-26-2011, 03:04 PM #418
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    Waver went full tsun this week and Alexander proves to be bro material once again, Fate/Zero is truly superior to the sequel in how it makes me root for the whole cast in some way and not just the protagonist.

    I'm fine with the break, to expect 24 straight episodes with this kind of quality isn't realistic. Hell, if anyone had asked me a few months ago i'd have told them that 12 episodes of this magnitude was a fool's dream but ufotable proved me wrong.
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  19. Tue, 12-27-2011, 06:22 AM #419
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    to be honest, I found this cliffhanger to be extremely good...
    makes me want to watch the second season for a reason other than a unresolved love-story
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  20. Tue, 12-27-2011, 06:23 AM #420
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    The cliffhanger has no problems.

    It's the final stretch up the cliff that pissed me off.

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