I thought I'd like Tohsaka's dad, but this through-and-through Magi mentality really makes him unlovable. Especially when you contrast that couple with Emiya/Iri.
We haven't seen any direct interaction between his wife and him at all during this episode, so I really wonder how often he really interacts with her, if at all.
Eizenbern's castle must have really good central heating considering her outfit.Originally Posted by Ryll
(self note: future house must have good central heating)
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
I want to see a few flashbacks on how the Emiya and Iri got together. Must be a really awkward and cute romance.
It's funny how they all seem to think that naivety and idealism make obtaining the grail impossible, but Shirou managed to win in the end, even if he did not use it.
Peace.
Maybe, but i can't help but feel that this Holy War is on a much higher level than Shirou's ever was.
The whole scheme was invented by those ages old mage families, so it makes sense they tend to think it's all about tactics, sheer magic power, one-upping the competitors, and other things established mages excel at. Naivety and idealism are, though, thinking outside the box, and thus could be beneficial under right circumstances.
I agree with this in that the competitors this time all have some parties backing them up - and all those parties are after different things.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
Shirou's grail war had Saber (though weakened at first, she eventually got her full powers), Hercules and Gilgamesh. I think it was pretty high level too.
Peace.
Check the stats, this Saber is more powerful
Hercules was definitely a plus
Gilgamesh is on this one as well
I can't say anything for certain until this is all over but the feel i get is that this holy war is much more well organized, the mages behind it seem much more powerful and experienced and the servants seem all to be high class as well.
It was high level, but it didn't seem like the competitors had that much strategy behind them. It works for simple-minded folks like Shirou - like he said he just needed to win each fight as he encounters them.
Masters are researching the hell out of each other in this one.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
I am not saying that Shirou's grail war was of a higher level, and I do think that competition in this one is tougher, but I don't think that they are far apart in terms of difficulty to win. I only felt opposition when Arch mentioned "much higher" when talking about the difference between the two.
Peace.
I think I have to go with Arch on this one, based on what Kraco pointed out.
The 5th Grail War had powerful Servants, but the mages were very naive and idealist compared to this one. We didn't see years of preparation with the majority of the the competitors, much of it was improvised from the moment the Servants were summoned. The 4th War in contrast, all the mages we know about about prepared at least a year in advance, often used underhanded tactics to get in, or were so powerful they were chosen by the Grail at a remarkably early time.
Even with that, or in response to that, a number of the 4th War mages have already admitted how much further they are going to go to ensure their victory. In the 5th War, only Rin and Ilya prepared ahead of time. I suppose that the Matou's did so as well, but only by Zouken's words concerning Sakura and his intentions to skip this round before Kariya offered himself.
Preparation is important, but raw power is vital as well. Preparation is not enough to kill Hercules or Gilgamesh. Winning is the goal of the war, and without beating those two powerhouse servants, you won't win. That is the reason I believe that this war and the succeeding war are not much different in terms of winning. It does not matter if most of the enemies are weak. As long as 1 or 2 monsters are there, victory is hard to get.
Peace.
Not getting killed by your own Servant right off the bat is important too. 5th War Caster, who had a master who was never even given a name.
Raw power doesn't matter when you're not wary enough to control your own servant, or when you summon one that is too strong for you, or has conflicting ideals. Which is why Kiritsugu expressed concern about summoning "Arthur" given his chosen methods of combat.
Wouldn't be much use if you were plenty strong to summon a powerful hero, but had to blow through Command spells to get them to listen. At least some of the mages are thinking about this in the 4th War. Even Rin didn't think about who she could get, she only thought about getting someone strong.
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Animation was beautiful. If this keeps up all season... wow.
I don't quite remember FSN... why did a Holy Grail war took place so soon? They kept saying here it takes place every 60 years.
And about the episode lenght... it this considered episodes 1 + 2? Was this just a special ocassion? Or will all episodes have this lenght?
I'll bet a good amount on that this is just a bonus big Ep1. Next week will be ep2 at 30 minutes.
Regarding the animation, I don't think FSN 2006 was done by ufotable neither.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
@Ryll - Like I said, preparation is important too. Illya had tons of command spells to control Hercules due to her family's preparation, and that made the team monstrous. I agree with you, but that does not make Shirou's war less difficult to win.
Peace.
Lets hope so
Because nobody won this one
Special episode, the rest will be of normal length
She did? I thought everyone only get 3 command spells to use and the reason their team was so monstrous was because Illya had a ton of mana so she had no problems controlling Hercules.
In Shiros case it's kinda like an RPG where he got stronger before meeting and fighting the stronger oppositions compared to this war where they've all been preparing, so I'd say if it had been Shiro in the 4th war he'd probably have lost pretty early since I'm guessing the people wouldn't have shown him that much compassion. But there is one thing that I can say with 100% certainty that made Shiros war a little easier to win, there was one less master right from the start to fight compared to this one.
You are here alone again
In your sweet insanity
All too calm, you hide yourself from reality
Do you call it solitude? Do you call it liberty?
When all the world turns away to leave you lonely
Shiro was a pussy, but with endurance from a very good trump card, and had another in store.
I'm a little curious about who his parents really are, his background and all and I hope we'll get something about him.
I thought the guy giving the relic to the student had a hairstyle and body language reminding me of Shirou, but that must be some kind of illusion.
Regarding production quality, it really felt like a movie. But somehow it also felt very artificial, probably the way eyes are so expressionless or something.
I admit I felt a chill down my spine when I heard, then saw Saber. Even writing it still produces some effect.
That's how much of a Saber fan I am and I did appreciate the fanservice.
All the things I really like to do are either illegal, immoral, or fattening. And then: Golf.
Lol, fanservice is not really the word.
Then again... brb, posting suit saber in the fetish thread.
Having read the Fate/Zero novels i want to spoil the shit so bad for you.. but i'll hold back. I'll just point out some minor details that they didn't show(just small 'flavour' stuff, not spoilers).
In Einzberen Castle the stained glasses in the chapel have shown the scenes of Einzberen working on Holy Grail - just to show their obsession for it.
Archibald's title (Lord El Meloi) is a title for very strong and prominent magus i i recall correctly.
Waver is a pussy, that's a fact.
And guys - there is still one more master/servant combo left.
Waver's Servant is badass.
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