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    I thought he was running shit in Konoha since he's the only one who seems to be able to use his head for anything other than battle.

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    Bah, Konoha still has two other Elders that seem to excel at nothing BUT being obnoxious bureaucrats. I'm sure they're more than capable of telling some contractors where the buildings go.

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    Dude, they can't kill Sasuke. It's not even remotely possible, he's been going up against Itachi, and Danzou AND he has Madara at his side. I'm sure Shikamaru must be aware of this and is covering his ass. It's a suicide mission to alleviate their guilt. Even Kakashi knows this so Sai was sent along to stop 'em. Sasuke has god like powers, the only one that has the chance is Naruto.
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    If Kakashi get's his aim right he could just make Sasuke and his powers disappear in an instant with his own MS.

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    Didn't Sasuke prove that's not enough? He broke out of Itachi's MS without having one himself. One I might note he has now. We also assume Madara, who appears to be able to travel through space and time couldn't go retrieve him. However, assuming all of these can be excepted I'll grant you that maybe Kakashi could do it, but he wasn't with kill squad dum. er one.
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    One thing that's bothering me is, why does Shisui's Sharingan have a unique power when it's not even a Mangekyou Sharingan.

    We know Shisui probably didn't have an MS because he would have had to kill Itachi to get it. And while Danzou COULD have made it into an MS after he obtained it(since Kakashi was also able to), we know Shisui's eye had this power while it was still alive because that Hidden Mist ninja said he fought Shusui and he had that power then.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cal_kashi View Post
    Didn't Sasuke prove that's not enough? He broke out of Itachi's MS without having one himself.
    There's a pretty huge difference between Itachi's MS power of "really good Genjutsu" and Kakashi's MS power of "fucking black hole generator!"

    I think Kakashi may actually have the most deadly MS power.

    I mean, sure, when he was first using it on Diedara, he was very slow and clumsy with it. But since then, we've seen him wink nail projectiles and missiles right out of existence in mid-flight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cal_kashi View Post
    We also assume Madara, who appears to be able to travel through space and time couldn't go retrieve him.
    You're assuming Kakashi's MS actually GOES someplace. For all we know, it's just destroying what it sucks in.


    Realistically, a fight between Sasuke and Kakashi should go:

    Sasuke: "I use Amaterasu to set you on fire and now you'll burn to death and there's nothing you can do about it."

    Kakashi: "Well, while I'm burning to death, I just crushed your heart into a quantum singularity."

    *both die*
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarthEnder View Post

    I think Kakashi may actually have the most deadly MS power.

    I'm pretty sure Madara has the same ability, except he is able to use it much better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lelouch View Post
    I'm pretty sure Madara has the same ability, except he is able to use it much better.
    Sorta. It seems he isn't able to use his eye on anyone he's not touching.

    They're probably very similar but with a few key differences. Kinda of like how Sasuke can move his Amaterasu flames around while Itachi never could.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lelouch View Post
    I'm pretty sure Madara has the same ability, except he is able to use it much better.
    The perks of upgraded hardware it seems.

    Can anyone tell us if Kakashi really did take ages to sever Deidara's arm, or whether it was just drawn out in the anime?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian View Post
    The perks of upgraded hardware it seems.
    Even if the only thing the EMS does is allow you to use MS powers without going blind, it'd still be the most important upgrade ever.

    I really don't want Kakashi's Sharingan to go blind. Maybe he can get Shisui's eye back from Madara.

    Or maybe Danzou still has the other one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian View Post
    Can anyone tell us if Kakashi really did take ages to sever Deidara's arm, or whether it was just drawn out in the anime?
    http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...6/page004.html

    Takes about 5 pages. So, yeah, pretty long.

    It actually looks ALOT like Danzou's death Jutsu now that I look at it again. Just smaller.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarthEnder View Post
    Sorta. It seems he isn't able to use his eye on anyone he's not touching.
    I believe when Danzo was about to behead Sasuke earlier in the fight, Madara was about to teleport the sword away before realizing Sasuke was fine. I don't think he needs to be touching anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarthEnder View Post
    Even if the only thing the EMS does is allow you to use MS powers without going blind, it'd still be the most important upgrade ever.

    I really don't want Kakashi's Sharingan to go blind. Maybe he can get Shisui's eye back from Madara.

    Or maybe Danzou still has the other one.

    http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...6/page004.html

    Takes about 5 pages. So, yeah, pretty long.

    It actually looks ALOT like Danzou's death Jutsu now that I look at it again. Just smaller.
    Danzou's was ink(?). The "juice" in those pages was Deidara's blood.

    It took a little while, yeah, but no where near like.... 3 episodes and a marathon.

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    I believe when Danzo was about to behead Sasuke earlier in the fight, Madara was about to teleport the sword away before realizing Sasuke was fine. I don't think he needs to be touching anything.
    Where was this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian View Post
    Where was this?
    He's talking about when Danzou had the cursed seal on Sasuke that paralyzed him and was about to kill him with his own sword. As he was swinging, Madara started to do his teleport swirl, but then when Sasuke broke out with Susano'O, Madara cancelled whatever he was going to do.

    I don't think you can assume he was going to teleport away the sword though. There's no way of knowing WHAT he was going to do.

    And the evidence that he need to touch them is much more substantial. Being A. He always touches someone before sucking them in but most importantly B. He touches Danzou's Abarame guard before sucking him in even though he KNEW touching the guy was going to cost him at least his arm. If he could use his power at range, there's no reason he would have touched the guy.

    And again in this episode, instead of just teleporting Danzou away, he jumps all the way down, puts his hand on him, THEN teleports him away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarthEnder View Post
    If he could use his power at range, there's no reason he would have touched the guy.
    Actually there is a tactical reason: To make everybody believe he needs to touch the target. That could easily be the decisive factor between victory and defeat in an equal fight against an opponent under the false premise. However, right now I'd rather believe he needs to touch, even if we are talking about the most guileful person in the Naruto universe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco View Post
    Actually there is a tactical reason: To make everybody believe he needs to touch the target.
    Well sure. But you could make that argument for anything any character does and it kind of makes trying to speculate on a character's limitations pointless at that point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarthEnder View Post
    Well sure. But you could make that argument for anything any character does and it kind of makes trying to speculate on a character's limitations pointless at that point.
    Except for Naruto of course =3

    Check out this page for Kakashi's explanation of his power, following stopping Diedara's Art is a Bang! boom.
    http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...8/page007.html

    Edit: I must confess that ever since Diedera went boom in his suicide Gambit I've had an insatiable proclivity for looking for ways to use the phrase Art is a bang! And much to my joy I found a totally legit way, in naming one of my recent art projects, Pop Art is a bang! #5. I got the color Scheme right on the 5 attempt, and it gives me a fun way to name the various steps and creations that have come of the project. If any interest is demonstrated, I'll post that project in here, as it's ever so loosely related via art is a bang.
    Bonus: Xzibit makes an appearance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarthEnder View Post
    I don't think you can assume he was going to teleport away the sword though. There's no way of knowing WHAT he was going to do.
    Considering the teleport swirls appeared and after Sasuke summoned Susano'o, Madara says "I guess he doesn't need my help after all", I think it is safe to assume he was going to use teleport in one manner or another to help Sasuke.


    Quote Originally Posted by DarthEnder View Post
    And the evidence that he need to touch them is much more substantial. Being A. He always touches someone before sucking them in

    Episode 205, 2:25, he does not touch Karin to teleport her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lelouch View Post
    Episode 205, 2:25, he does not touch Karin to teleport her.
    Seems like an inaccurate manga to anime conversion to me.

    In the manga, he's standing much closer to her and they make it a point not to show his hand.

    http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...7/page008.html

    Quote Originally Posted by lelouch View Post
    Considering the teleport swirls appeared and after Sasuke summoned Susano'o, Madara says "I guess he doesn't need my help after all", I think it is safe to assume he was going to use teleport in one manner or another to help Sasuke.
    Agreed, I just think he was going to teleport INTO the fight, not teleport something away from it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarthEnder View Post
    Seems like an inaccurate manga to anime conversion to me.

    In the manga, he's standing much closer to her and they make it a point not to show his hand.

    http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...7/page008.html

    Agreed, I just think he was going to teleport INTO the fight, not teleport something away from it.
    Interesting theory. It looks like it could be an inaccurate conversion then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lelouch View Post
    Interesting theory. It looks like it could be an inaccurate conversion then.
    It's more than that since we can clearly see Tobi jumping down to teleport Karin away.

    her exclamation mark above the head was triggered by the fact that she felt or heard Tobi falling behind her or by him simply touching her. Immediately afterwards she's being teleported, so imo - y, he needs to touch them and anime was just sloppy on this detail.

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