Naruto Shippuuden Episode 211

[lelouch]

It doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but that seems to be the case.

I understand that purifying Sasuke of Orochimaru would, say, removed the cursed seal. Since the seal is a part of Orochimaru.

But causing him to just...forget all of Oro's techniques. That doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I mean, what does being able to Summon Snakes have to do with being controlled by Oro?

Well I don't know, he did sacrifice the king snake. That could have pissed off a lot of the other snakes thus voiding the contract, and he didn't really have too many oro-related techniques that didn't involve something snake-like. Not positive whether or not he used snakes since the sacrifice. If he hasn't, it would make more sense. If he has, well, regardless he still lost the abilities.

[Buffalobiian]

It doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but that seems to be the case.

I understand that purifying Sasuke of Orochimaru would, say, removed the cursed seal. Since the seal is a part of Orochimaru.

But causing him to just...forget all of Oro's techniques. That doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I mean, what does being able to Summon Snakes have to do with being controlled by Oro?

It's got nothing to do about being controlled bu Oro, bit Oro being present. When Oro and Sasuke combined, the body contained everything from both of them - the fight was over the control of that body. It makes sense that if one half got expelled that the other also loses the perks.

As for snake summoning, the contract was with Oro, not Sasuke. Of course it would go when Oro "died".

[DarthEnderX]

As for snake summoning, the contract was with Oro, not Sasuke. Of course it would go when Oro "died".

And you know that, how exactly?

I don't recall them ever showing, or talking about him signing the contract.

What makes you think the Snake contract is any different than the Toad contract?

Well I don't know, he did sacrifice the king snake. That could have pissed off a lot of the other snakes thus voiding the contract

Ah, that's a good point.

[Artris]

I would just look at it logically. Orochimaru intended to use Sasuke as a vessel, a container. Sure, the container needs to be strong but why teach it abilities you know you can bring with you. Orochimaru focused training on abilities that were unique to the vessel: sharingar abilites, cursed seal abilities and lightning/fire abilities. He was essentially training his future self.

Sasuke never made a contract with the snakes (that we know of). The healing/stretching/vomiting abilities Orochimaru had were unique to his... essence?

When Orochimaru was removed with the cursed seal, Sasuke lost: cursed seal abilities, healing/stretching/vomiting abilities and certain summons (due to breaking a contract: damn minutes never carry over).

The only question I have is whether he lost common seals. My guess here would be that he lost any seals he hadn't specifically learned: while in possession of Orochimaru, he had a sort of library of seals at his disposal. Why bother learning them when he could just look them up at will? That library was lost with Oro though. I wouldn't be surprised if we see the 'demon gate' again at some point since Orochimaru taught it to a few of his minions but I suspect that is about all we will see, if anything, of Oro's basic abilities.

[DarthEnderX]

I don't think it makes any sense at all. I think it's just Kishimoto didn't want Sasuke and Kabuto to have the same powers, so when he decided to turn Kabuto into Oro II, he took all the Oro powers away from Sasuke and turned him into Itachi II instead.


On an completely unrelated note, I still wonder if Sage Mode is something anyone can do. It seems closely tide to the toads in that, you turn into a toad if you fuck it up, and even if you succeed it gives you toad eyes.

I wonder if that means only someone with a Toad contract can become a Sage.

Or, on the otherhand, might it be possible for anyone with an animal contract to become a Sage.

If I didn't know otherwise, I would have assumed that Orochimaru was a Snake Sage the whole time. What with the snake eyes, and how physically snakey he always was. But apparently that wasn't the case.

Feels like something else that could be fleshed out. Would be cool to have a villain that could also enter sage mode, but as a different animal.

[Buffalobiian]

Sage mode is just trying to use Natural Chakra in your body. Anybody can try to learn it.

[DarthEnderX]

Sure, but why does it turn you into a toad statue?

Toads taught it to both of the people who've had it so far. I'm wondering if other animals could teach other people and if they'd turn into that animal instead.

[Kraco]

If you learned it from another human, you'd turn into... a human if you failed. That would be more of a winner deal.

[Buffalobiian]

Sure, but why does it turn you into a toad statue?

Toads taught it to both of the people who've had it so far. I'm wondering if other animals could teach other people and if they'd turn into that animal instead.

Perhaps it may be coincidental? When you look at the training and the theory behind it, even if it was taught by a toad there doesn't seem to be anything "toad" about it. (except for the fact that they started training on the mountain, so you can suggest that Naruto and Jiraiya were taught to take in "toad-tainted" Natural Chakra.. but there's nothing to suggest that).

[DarthEnderX]

If you learned it from another human, you'd turn into... a human if you failed. That would be more of a winner deal.

Not really. Cause you'd still be a human statue if you really fucked it up.

Tactically speaking, not an improvement.

Perhaps it may be coincidental?

Certainly. I'm just hoping it's not. I want to see other Nature Chakra users, and I don't want them to all be Toad Sages.

[Azonalanthious]

Wasn't the oil that enhanced it called toad oil? So maybe that oil is unique to toad mountain and the technique was developed there as a result, which is the reason for the toad influence? Just skyballing here...