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    Quote Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
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    Still cracks me up how you europeans use periods where you should use commas. Periods are too final to be used in the middle of a number.

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    Wait, they don't seriously use periods, do they?! What about decimals?!

    Or do they switch it? O_O

    Oh, apparently its:

    Spain: 1.282.394'234
    England/US: 1, 282, 394.234
    Some Others: 1.282.394,234

    According to a friend. Mind fuck!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapphire View Post
    Wait, they don't seriously use periods, do they?! What about decimals?!

    Or do they switch it? O_O

    Oh, apparently its:

    Spain: 1.282.394'234
    England/US: 1, 282, 394.234
    Some Others: 1.282.394,234

    According to a friend. Mind fuck!
    Yes, Euros use periods where Americans use commas, and commas where we use periods. Completely senseless. I think they just do it to spite us.


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    Aussies win for once.

    AU: 1 282 394.234

    Before I was taught this in school though, I was always using:

    Buff: 1' 282' 394.234

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    How is that winning? So your numbers look like 12334345436.2424, good luck reading that.

    With commas every thousand, it makes it much easier to read quickly: 12,334,345,436.2424 which is 12 billion, 334 million, 345 thousand, 436 point 2424.


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    Some programming languages don't recognize spaces so good luck when Y2K happens in whatever year it happens because of your spaces.


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    That's quite enough already about decimals in the introduction thread...

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    Let's see how long we can keep this conversation going.
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    Who on Earth uses comma and period separations nowadays?

    Really, no one. No one should even be paying attention to that much detail for statistics unless they had a bad case of OCD.

    Terms like "5.77 million seconds", for example is the convention for the modern populace.

    By scientific and engineering standards, scientific notation is the way to (which is also better for nations' youth to encourage them into the fields of science; China's really competitive in this department).

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    I can't see how using scientific notation encourages one to devote their life to science. Wouldn't encouraging them to have inquisitive minds do that, instead?

    You can only be so precise with that way, too. You're going to have to use commas for small numbers in speech unless you're doing straight up calculations. LOLLL, I'm thinking about someone saying, "There are 5.832 x 10^5 people in the stadium" makes me giggle. And even then you have to use a dot.

    Do Europeans say "dot" or "point" when they use commas instead?! Can-not-comprehend.
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    When I first saw this thread, I thought it was one of those groupon deals, or quibids, or bitcoins. Weird. Why are you up at this hour, Sapphy dear?


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    I don't know. I have finals to study for. Make me go to bed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapphire View Post
    I can't see how using scientific notation encourages one to devote their life to science. Wouldn't encouraging them to have inquisitive minds do that, instead?
    No.

    You can only be so precise with that way, too. You're going to have to use commas for small numbers in speech unless you're doing straight up calculations. LOLLL, I'm thinking about someone saying, "There are 5.832 x 10^5 people in the stadium" makes me giggle. And even then you have to use a dot.
    Five-point-eight-three-two times ten to the five (ten syllables).

    Five thousand eight hundred thirty two (nine syllables).

    In this situation, your example works out, but if you're talking about numbers greater than 10^4, then this notation is easier to read/write and shorter to say.

    That or consider implementing SI-metric prefix units to everything; e.g. 7 G-people (giga-people/billion) living on earth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapphire View Post
    I don't know. I have finals to study for. Make me go to bed.
    Science says if you get a good night's sleep after studying, you retain the information better.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapphire View Post

    Do Europeans say "dot" or "point" when they use commas instead?! Can-not-comprehend.
    Point. Because no one should be saying "dot". But seriously, people say "dot"?

    The only times I've used "dot" in numbers is when I'm talking about websites or IPs. (Scatch that last part. I use "point" for IPs as well.)
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    The civilized world says "dot" between IP octets.

    If you said "point" you'd be using it like it's a total value instead of 4 separate values tied together.


    “For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”

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    Quote Originally Posted by enkoujin View Post
    No.
    Sure it would. The scientific method is about finding answers to your questions. If you encourage people to want to ask questions and answer them in a rational manner, you're training young scientists, are you not? Most people already know how to write numbers, scientific notation is merely a different format. The difference is getting people to learn with them...

    Quote Originally Posted by enkoujin View Post
    In this situation, your example works out, but if you're talking about numbers greater than 10^4, then this notation is easier to read/write and shorter to say.

    That or consider implementing SI-metric prefix units to everything; e.g. 7 G-people (giga-people/billion) living on earth.
    I feel like exponential form is harder to visualize than just saying the number, though.

    SI-metric prefix units sounds cool.


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    I really want to go on a polyphasic sleep cycle.
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    cut-pasted edit:

    edit:

    In this situation, your example works out, but if you're talking about numbers greater than 10^4, then this notation is easier to read/write and shorter to say.
    But not really easier to comprehend. Languages all have some sort of word for the various place values (tens, hundreds, thousands etc), and we think in languages, not numbers.

    Scientific notation would make things more universal for everyone and remove any confusion people may have with numbers (the next place value after Thousand in English is Million, 10^6, while in Chinese and Japanese at least it's "mahn", 10^4, just as one example where language convention differences can be confusing), but that's already being used where it matters anyway (scientific journals etc).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Animeniax View Post
    Some programming languages don't recognize spaces so good luck when Y2K happens in whatever year it happens because of your spaces.
    Programming languages also don't use commas for digit grouping....
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