It's already been explained it's likely because of the inbreeding, same thing for the Targaryians.
It's already been explained it's likely because of the inbreeding, same thing for the Targaryians.
I was hoping that Joffrey's body would get dragged down while his parents were having sex, then his dead body would just hang over Jamie's back while he humps Cersei. Then Cersei would say "This is not right..." and he would reply, "I don't care. I don't care."
Peace.
Yes but as heir to the throne, he received special attention from his mother which was sure to warp him, more so than his younger siblings. She most likely whispered all sorts of unpleasant things about Robert to her son. I'm surprised GRRM didn't include a mother/son incest angle to their relationship.Originally Posted by Death BOO Z
I didn't see much in the show or the book to suggest Joffrey cared much for his father, who was often drunk or too busy with "running the kingdom" to raise his children. I think it was a stark (*wink*) contrast to a loving lord father like Ned and how he raised his children.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
I remember a scene in which joffery tells Jaime that Jaime is a loser (or inferior, whatever) compared to his 'father', Robert.
father of the year? probably not. (that award goes to the guy who got an arrow through his skull and then was eaten with his wife as a side-dish), But I can't see Robert being a deliberately 'hurtful' father.
I'm really tired of the producers adding content just for the sake of being edgy. The Thenn's aren't cannabls in the least, they're one of the most advanced groups of Wildlings. Even the nudity in kings landing has been old for 2 seasons now, we get it.
On Joffrey:
Like Carnage said, it's mostly attributed to the inbreeding. I don't recall how the quote goes exactly... but to paraphrase, it's something like every time the Targaryens have a child, the gods flip a coin. Absent of that, the burden of being the first born or getting additional attention from a deranged mother (albeit a product of her environment as well) makes sense.
... found it, "Every time a Targaryen is born, the gods flip a coin": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhabH70ahLQ
On Thenns and TV vs. book:
Making the Thenns cannibals doesn't matter. If you hadn't read the books and had expectations it'd work fine. I agree with the nudity though, we don't really need to be reminded again that Oberyn is about sex and revenge. I think HBO has a poor idea of their target audience.
I thought the added scene of Tywin and Tommen was quite good, though. Charles Dance has nailed both of the TV-original sequences they've given him.
I don't think that inbreeding leads to cruelty or sociopathy, those are more learned attributes. It may lead to physical weakness or deformity, or mental disability, but not what we see with Joffrey. I think environment is mostly what has led to Joffrey's evilness and pettiness. It's bad enough to be heir to a throne at a young age, but worse to have people like Cersei raising you to be selfish and heavy handed.
Tyrion and Cersei are just spit-balling about the causes of Joffrey's behavior, so I don't give too much credence to the claim that the gods decide how you will grow up to be. These people don't understand genetics or good parenting and chalk everything up to religion and mysticism. I also think it's GRRM's commentary on responsibility and reaping what you sow.
A perfect example is Lysa Arryn's son Robin. He's not the product of inbreeding but we already know he's going to be nuts when he grows up, because Lysa is a shit mother.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Fair point about genetics and Robin, but I don't think we can expect everything in GRRM's world to align with ours, given that there are fantastical elements in it. A higher power is the world of Game of Thrones very real and tangible, so there may be more to chalking things up to religion and mysticism than in our world.
You had a small typo. Dance has done plenty of middling-to-bad films (so his standards are what they are), but getting him on game of thrones was a coup in and of itself. It took the producers a while to secure him in the role though.
Same goes for Diana Rigg as Olenna Tyrell. Witty 1960s sex and feminist symbol turned into sarcastic witty grandmother, matching the character nicely. The two of them have raised the enjoyment of many scenes set in King's Landing.
Edit:
Not to mention the younger Diana Rigg shares a bit more than a passing resemblance to Natalie Dormer who plays Margaery. The cheekbones in particular.
Last edited by Ryllharu; Tue, 04-22-2014 at 03:39 AM.
True and good point, there is a lot more governed by religion and mysticism in their world than ours. I concede the point.
I'll admit that when I first read the books, it wasn't until the second book that the story moved towards magic (except Daenarys's dragons) and I wasn't happy with it. I was hoping for a pure kings and connivers story (which we got) not so much a wizards and witches theme. On film though, the story is much richer and fuller with the magic and fantasy elements.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
I take it as more of a warning that inbreeding and having your parents resent each other (I guess that how it goes in forced insect situations) might not be the best thing for a child.
"...forced insect situations"
Made me LOL. That would make even couples resent each other.
Peace.
I was going to post a snip from Terra ForMars, but then thought better of it.
Nice tidbit on Diana Rigg.
So damn awesome lol
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Just started season 2. I love how Tyrion is cleaning house of all the backstabbers and double-dealers in the king's council.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
episode five. was there a stark who wasn't assaulted this episode?
LOL, now that you mention it.
Peace.
LOL the look on Cersei's face. "What do I call you...Mother, Sister?"
Also, Jon had a long sword versus two knives. Why did he swing it instead of stabbing? Way to give up your advantage, Jon.
Also, who was the guy who tried to capture Bran, the second time? He looks really familiar, but I can't place him. He was with the Night's Watch, and last week was the first time I noticed him in the Night's Watch, but he looks like somebody. Maybe somebody who cut off Jaime's hand.
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"After all, I am strangely colored."
That's exactly who he was. Eventually returned to the Dreadfort after taking Jamie's hand. Then upon learning from Theon than Bran and his little brother were still alive, he was sent up north after them by Lord Bolton in exchange for a lot of land. Snuck into the Night's Watch, went beyond the wall, and the rest is history.
about my previous comment, I forgot about Rikkon Stark... he didn't get hit this episode
is he still in the show?
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