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    I forgot that part as well. I think it had something to do with how unbelievable it was. Minko shouldn't have been able to lift Ohana up in a chokehold (unless she secretly practices wrestling and has thicker arms than what we can see), and Ohana should not be fine after being choked like that. People lose consciousness for a lot less. Because of that, I sort of passed it off as an anime exagerrated scene, like how people smash through walls or fall to the ground without breaking anything.
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    Well... with the proper impulse, Minko was able to 'lift' Ohana a bit. Why did she stay up then? It was because Ohana's back was pressed to the rail... she even seemed in danger of falling into the river (or whatever was behind her) because Minko kept pushing until Tohru appeared on the distance (Tohru radar activation saved Ohana).

    Seriously... setting aside the choking... she could have killed her, dut to the fall, if she had pushed her a bit stronger.

    A bit unbelivable, I agree... but like I said... a proper push with enough impulse can explain it.

    I'm not against liking her if she redeems herself somehow. But this scene didn't help her in my eyes. But heck... Ohana is going to forgive her anyway. If she was able to forgive a guy that tied her bondage style... why not the girl she's trying so hard to befriend.

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    This ep depicted quite nicely how Ohana tried and failed to understand Minko's love affair with her very lacking personal experience - a flaw she fortunately quickly realised herself. At least Ko got some sort of an answer (to his earlier email) as a result of it all. But I guess Ohana still has ways to go before she can respond to the confession.

    Looks like Ohana finally claimed her place as Minchi's friend as well.

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    Ohachi! Hanachi! Hibachi!

    Another great episode. I'm starting to like Tohru's character. The way he interacts with Ohana is funny. What I want to know though, is how did Tohru's relationship with Minko become what it is now? He seemed to be friendly/kind towards Minko during the flashbacks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idealistic View Post
    What I want to know though, is how did Tohru's relationship with Minko become what it is now? He seemed to be friendly/kind towards Minko during the flashbacks.
    Once Minchi became a part of the staff, he became hard and merciless to reshape her into a professional. It's a traditional establishment. I doubt they believe in the modern concepts of happy, equal teamwork, close boss-subordinate relationships, and other bullshit. Looking at the older chef, you can bet Tohru himself was treated similarly in the beginning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idealistic View Post
    Ohachi! Hanachi! Hibachi!

    Another great episode. I'm starting to like Tohru's character. The way he interacts with Ohana is funny. What I want to know though, is how did Tohru's relationship with Minko become what it is now? He seemed to be friendly/kind towards Minko during the flashbacks.
    It seems to me that he understands and even likes her dedication to become a chef, even though he clearly sees her skills as being far from sufficient. (no surprise here, since he even sees his own as being so).

    The dialect girl's the first rich, princess-like character that I've liked in quite some time now.

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    Tohru is certainly a great character. And I must admit I warmed a bit towards Minko this episode. While her idea of wanting the best for Tohru was the correct one... Ohana taught her a bit of a lesson in the end. Usually people do think about their best option... but I guess in this instance... and this kind of workplace... the best situation comes when someone tries to stop you... recognizing your value.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zell
    While her idea of wanting the best for Tohru was the correct one... Ohana taught her a bit of a lesson in the end. Usually people do think about their best option... but I guess in this instance... and this kind of workplace... the best situation comes when someone tries to stop you... recognizing your value.
    It all comes down to the person, I think. Tohru, who didn't really want to leave anyway and was attached to the people at the inn, would naturally want to be stopped. But had he been set on the idea of going to a bigger and better place to advance his career but was also attached to the people he works for here, then asking him to stay would put him in a sticky situation.

    Personally.. I think I would have taken Minchi's route too. Ohana's mindset's that straightforward "if you want them to stay, just say it!". It's not wrong.. but it does get her into situations that wouldn't have happened if she just sat and thought for a second :P.

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    It indeed gets to be a mess when feelings are involved. But lets watch from the real life point of view. When you seek a better job and you get an offer... you feel your worth gets appreciated when they try to retain you, through a raise for example, since they value your work. If they allow you to go without even trying to offer you something else... you feel rejected.

    In Tohru's case... its obvious this isn't the case. He ain't in the job for the money... but because its his passion. Its undeniable that he wouldn't have left for the money... but... would he have left his 'master'? In his kind of job... leaving, even with more money and a better place, would be an insult... because allowing to leave, without trying to stop him, would mean they can live without him. That is... his work isn't necessary... he could be easily replaced. He feels he would be a succesful chef when his 'master', Ren-san, tries to stop him from leaving.

    As you said... it comes down to the person's own thoughts. But its undeniable that in any of the two scenarios, when a boss tries to stop from you leaving its because you are needed. Tohru probably felt dissapointed the only one that tried to stop him was Ohana, even though everybody else didn't want him to leave, only Ohana did something.

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    I must have read the whole situation in a relatively lighter tone than you Zell. I even saw Ren's lack of response as a rough reminder to Tohru that he's still got a way to go before he's a big shot.

    If they were real, normal people as you were seeing them though (and more of a boss/employee relationship with less of a master/disciple-like one) I'd probably have seen it more from your perspective.

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    Hmmm, I did have a feeling from the previous episode that Tohru might have a thing for Ohana just based on the way they interacted and the whole Ohana being the only one to stop him from leaving. It's starting to seem like he does.

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    That would be bad, and I hope it's nothing serious. Of course this isn't (it seems) exactly the kind of show where everything would go well just because it would leave the audience with a mushy feeling. Thus it's impossible to say yet. Needless to say, it would make Minchi sad, and it would hurt the already delicate relationship between Ohana and Minchi. Plus Ohana doesn't exactly like the guy in the first place. At all.

    Maybe Tohru was only imagining how Minchi would look like in the China dress?

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    Or maybe he was just being a guy and enjoying the show. He would probably react the same with any girl in cosplay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shinta|hikari View Post
    He would probably react the same with any girl in cosplay.
    Maybe. But still, it looks like Ohana managed to keep Tohru up all night with just a maid+Kimono combo. Think of what "lengthening the slit on the China dress" would do? Based on that, I think that even if any girl in something like that would make Tohru anaemic, Ohana's triggered reaction was more than your average effectiveness.

    It's hard to say whether this was just for comedic effect though.

    Talking about trying something different, Nako should really try something else for her school hairstyle. It's not bad and adds variety, but there's got to be something better.

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    I laughed out loud when Ohana got her meager adjusted pay and was thrilled to see so much money. Her mother is really awful. No wonder the staff is a little bit guarded around Ohana given how much she apparently takes after her mother.

    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian View Post
    Maybe. But still, it looks like Ohana managed to keep Tohru up all night with just a maid+Kimono combo. Think of what "lengthening the slit on the China dress" would do? Based on that, I think that even if any girl in something like that would make Tohru anaemic, Ohana's triggered reaction was more than your average effectiveness.
    I honestly don't think the high-slit china dress would work nearly as much. Tohru was intrigued at the china dresses, but he dropped a pan when he saw the kimono/apron combos. Perhaps that was because the china dress didn't really flatter Ohana's figure in any particular way (certainly not the way it did for Nako 0.o). I figure he didn't think Ohana could look that classy.

    That's what I really liked about this episode. It wove in a fanservice section without it seeming too out of place for the series. I actually thought it was fantastically done. The consultant had a reason to be there in the first place (the inn doesn't do that well and the okami's son fancies her), and though she probably isn't a very good one...she legitimately seems to want to show off her talents with various plans (the cooks saying it was the waitress' turn this time). She was off-base, but the idea wasn't a bad one, Ohana's grandmother tried it herself before, and it worked once Ohana was led to the classier idea that fits in with the inn's image of tradition over modernization (comparing to the Fukuya Inn). This is the way a fanservice episode should be done.

    I also liked that the whole china dress thing was basically Ohana's fault. She got all excited because she hasn't been subjected to this woman for years the way the others have. Her initial curiosity gave Takako the opening she needed. She did continue to think about improving the inn as well after the event, so perhaps Ohana's grandmother may start to see her granddaughter showing some interest in the inn's well-being.

    It was also a nice touch that Ohana's grandmother played sick during Takako's visit.

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    I think the grandma already knows that Ohana is quite concerned about the inn. She is just trying to keep her cold persona by acting indifferent or strict.
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    How common is it in Japan to still receive your salary in cash? It's kind of strange considering how ultra modern Japan is in many ways, yet so old-fashioned in others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco View Post
    How common is it in Japan to still receive your salary in cash? It's kind of strange considering how ultra modern Japan is in many ways, yet so old-fashioned in others.
    I'm confident it is. When I went over there, it's essentially a cash only country. That's even more so as you move away from Tokyo.

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