Sweet, got to learn a bunch of new stuff from Madara (as usual lol)Originally Posted by Marik
And i also thought the animation and even the picture-quality itself was better than usual... dunno :P
Sweet, got to learn a bunch of new stuff from Madara (as usual lol)
And i also thought the animation and even the picture-quality itself was better than usual... dunno :P
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The whole snowy atmosphere of the Land of Iron's been pretty good so far. It gives everything a nice bleak feeling instead of the usual colourful world of Naruto.
I'm sitting on the fence between whether Sakura is just saying that she doesn't need Naruto to go after Sasuke anymore, or whether she'll give him an outright confession.
Kakashi's pretty much the only worthy candidate for Hokage at the moment. Only his laid-back attitude and limited stamina's holding him back.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
Hmm, Killer Bee against Kisame, sounds good.
Too bad it will be ruined by the weepy Sakura moment...
Hakke Rokujūyon Shō!
A nice episode. I agree on the snowy country fitting the atmosphere of all that's going on right now. I'm still not sure why Madara is doing what he is. There was no chance the villages would have agreed to handing him the rest of the beasts or surrendering to his (claimed) plan. So, why did he tell them anything? Talking to Naruto makes now even more sense if Madara himself indeed is weaker. It could serve to lessen the pressure from Naruto to Sasuke. But talking the council serves no purpose. Even a declaration of war sounds very unfitting for ninja. He basically only managed to unite the villages. Maybe that was his ultimate aim, for whatever purposes.
I haven't been much liking Sakura ever (aside form the rather pleasant character design) but now I'm actually looking forward to her and Naruto's scene in the next ep. The scene between her and Sai was so good that it must be carried over to the conclusion.
So much awesome shit!
There's a ten tails?! I love how it had like a combine Sharingan/Rinnigen eye! I wonder if the statue that Madara uses to store the tailed beasts is actually what the 10-tails used to look like. It looks like it has a bunch of broken tails on its back.
Madara's Sharingan power looks sweet in action. It's like Kakashi's but it actually goes somewhere(or maybe Kakashi's also goes somewhere, he just doesn't know where).
So much cooool backstory.
Undoubtedly so I think.
And he doesn't take 2 episodes to aim with it.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
The Ten Tail's ShaRinnegan also makes me more confident in my notion that the Sage had one set of everything-in-one eyes that eventually got diluted into different eyes among his descendants.
Well, even Kakashi doesn't do that anymore. He did that nail pretty much instantaneously.
I assume it gets faster with practice. But Kakashi will probably go blind before he gets really proficient with it.
Madara's Eternal Mangekyou probably let him train with it till it till he mastered it.
I wonder if the thing where he phases though attacks is the power his other eye has, or if it's the same eye, or if it's an unrelated jutsu.
Really? The "awesome" ten-tails? I remember when it was in the manga, and, rightfully so, most hated it. Such a stupid revelation :/
Who gives a shit? It's an awesome prehistoric monster that you know we're never even gonna see in the series because Naruto would have to lose the Nine-tails for it to come back and if that ever happened, the series would be over, cause the main character would lose half his cool powers.
It's like a series that has a bunch of dragons in it and the Big Bad reveals his secret plan to revive Tiamat.
A.K.A. Awesome
Also, finding out the Sage really DID make the moon and why.
Last edited by DarthEnderX; Fri, 04-01-2011 at 07:38 PM.
Exactl how reliant is Naruto on the kyuubi's chakra now though? The 4th redid the seal, to technically he should be able to reap more rewards from it without having it control him back on the lower levels, but with Sage mode and all that now, it doesn't seem like he'll need it.
Sage mode required a heap of your own chakra reserve to be effective so that the natural chakra doesn't take over your own, and the frogs couldn't help him out in gathering it because the fox was in the way. That all seems to suggest that Naruto himself is now pretty much fine without the fox.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
I think the Fox still provides him with some chakra reserves and healing. And I'm guessing the 10-tails body is at the center of the moon and the Sage did what Pain did trapping the Fox but on a much huger scale.
Well, considering even with Sage mode, he'd have lost against Pain without his usual Ninetails freakout...and the guys he fights are probably only going to get stronger as the series goes on, I doubt he'll ever be able to afford to get rid of it, unless it's the very end of the series.
I think it's more likely he'll just end up learning to control it better. All this talk lately about how Killer Bee is like the perfect Jinchuuriki and how he gets along with the Eighttails makes me think they need to have that guy train Naruto.
That seems like a fairly safe assumption. I didn't think Madara meant the Tentail's body literally BECAME the moon.
I'm guessing some poor minor continent somewhere had to be sacrificed in order to make the Tentail's tomb.
Only issue here is that since the beginning of Shippuuden, Naruto's whole basis was to never use the fox's chakra. The seal was redone so the fox can't sneek its way out, but if it's just the same seal it'll weaken over the next 16 years again. Naruto took the Sage mode route since he needed a chakra source that he can control. If it's sheer chakra he needed, the Kyuubi has plenty.
I think it's more the partnership between the beast and the host, more than anything. Killer Bee's octopus could actually talk to him and lend him power without trying to take over him. They're like best buds. In comparison, all the kyuubi ever wanted was for Naruto to rip off its seal. Rather than training, I'd say a more apt term would be taming (if that's even possible).I think it's more likely he'll just end up learning to control it better. All this talk lately about how Killer Bee is like the perfect Jinchuuriki and how he gets along with the Eighttails makes me think they need to have that guy train Naruto.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
I think your overestimating what the 4th did in Naruto's head. I seemed to me that he just closed the seal to end that rampage, he didn't recast the seal like he did originally. It's in the same state now that it was before he lost control fighting Pain.
The simple fact is, Sage Mode chakra wasn't enough to beat Pain on it's own, it's probably not going to be enough to beat Madara, or Sasuke by the time Naruto fights him again. And when Naruto has to access the Kyuubi's power again, the seal will break down again unless he does something about it in the meantime.
The only way I can see Naruto losing the Ninetails is if this course of events happens:
Madara collects all nine beasts. Naruto somehow survives the extraction. Madara awakens the Tentails. Madara is defeated before he can Seal the Tentails. Naruto seals the Tentails inside himself to stop it.
Well that's what I mean by training. That Killer Bee would teach him how to communicate with the Kyuubi and they could maybe create a similar relationship.
You seem to be implying that Bee gets along with Eighttails because Eighttails is a cool guy while Kyuubi is a dickhole. I was under the impression that all the Tailed Beasts were dickholes originally. Eighttails is only cool now because Bee has taken the time to forge a relationship with it.
Everything suggests the original Tentails was a nasty demon to begin with so dividing it in parts shouldn't produce any jolly fellows. However, it could still produce different personalities. Eighttails might be more cooperative to gain a bit more freedom for itself. We haven't really seen that much of Ninetails's personality (which is both a good and bad thing), so it's impossible to say whether it would settle for anything but total domination.
However, plot wise I feel like it would be a huge waste if Naruto didn't learn to tap into Kyuubi's power in a controlled (or semi-controlled) manner. Why was he a jinchuuriki to begin with if it only brought him troubles throughout the story? It would also make Fourth a real scumbag in the final judgement.
Well, I'm going by the personalities of Kyuubi, Shukaku and the Threetails. They were all bastards. Threetails didn't even talk, but then he was all filler. He probably would have talked in the manga.
For Naruto to sway Kyuubi's attitude he'd need to be able to reason with him first.
As far as we know the only thing Kyuubi wants would be complete freedom, it's true eight-tails found a common language with Bee, but I get the impression that if it was possible between Naruto and Kyuubi it would have happened by now.
Not to mention the series would be ruined, for years Kyuubi is uber evil villain and suddenly he gets friends with Naruto? I mean, for real?
Dunno what kind of partial freedom Bee offers to Eight-tails, but I see no way for Naruto to let Kyuubi do ANYTHING but his bidding unless when he loses control over himself and when that happened, he'd hurt friends around him.
Still, Bee might have some useful tips, not everything Jinchuuriki related would have to require friendship with their own beast I guess?
Ruined as a stock shounen show, or what? I've been quite pleased with the non-filler portions of Shippuuden and thus for my own part I'd say it would be more like awesome if Naruto managed to strike some sort of deal with Kyuubi, with Kyuubi still remaining an evil monster. A little shady deal would be all the better, but I wouldn't really expect such a thing from Naruto. He won't be sacrificing any virgins to Kyuubi like Oro did to the big snake, no matter what. But I would like him to compromise just a bit. Naturally it would require that Kyuubi takes Naruto seriously, but it would be the high time for that anyway.
See, we don't really know what Bee did to forge his relationship with Eighttails.
Likewise, we don't actually know much about the Kyuubi other than that he's uberpissed all the time. And he's probably like that because some dick sealed him up inside a baby after some other dick hypnotized him into stomping on a village.
Who knows what Kyuubi wants. For all we know, he might just want some apples.
In what way has Kyuubi ever been an antagonist in this series?
Yeah, he's a big evil demon in the past, but he's not the villain of any of the story arcs of the series. In what way would Naruto and Kyuubi developing a working relationship "ruin the series" when Kyuubi hasn't even DONE anything yet.
It's not even like the Kyuubi's personality takes over when Naruto looses control. Naruto just goes berserk.
Last edited by DarthEnderX; Sun, 04-03-2011 at 04:20 PM.
I can see the Kyuubi helping Naruto. Specifically I think it may act as the gatherer for Naruto, eventually allowing Naruto permanent sage mode. The reason for it wanting to help Naruto now is that it knows Madara will make it his bitch given the chance. The Kyuubi has no way to fight Madara directly. Helping Naruto may be its best method to secure eventual freedom.
By eventual freedom I mean NOT being combined into the 10-Tails and, perhaps, being freed as Naruto dies or hoping that the next container screws up. Helping Naruto, there is some hope for the Kyuubi.
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