Even though they showed Akainu doing just that in this very episode. He got slashed, by Haki no less, and then those wounds just closed up.
I dunno, it's all very inconsistent.
I guess Lava is just one of Fire's weaknesses for some reason. I have no idea why though.
Well, lava is way hotter than fire... so that`s something.
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
Yeah, logias don't regenerate when hit by a weakness of their element type. Like when Robin tried to get Crocodile wet so she could stab him, for example. Getting hit by haki is kind of strange. Presumably Whitebeard used a haki stab on Aoukiji, yet it didn't hurt him (my guess is Aoukiji purposely opened up a hole in his chest?), however, I think Akainu looking all sliced up by the commanders was filler content, though...
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
Haki/Logia stuff is very confusing and isn't very well explained IMO.
But as for Ace, they said something like "Lava is hot enough to even burn fire", so basically it was an elemental weakness there.
Except that elemental weakness makes no sense. It's a 'just because...' explanation.Originally Posted by Sentenal
I would have been much happier without any sort of 'explanation' on why Akainu hurt Ace. The 'difference in abilities' argument is adequate enough for me. No need to cook up ridiculous elemental weaknesses in this case.
I won't deny it, the scene where Luffy stood up against Lucci was bloody magnificent
The problem though, is that even with above average fillers the pacing is much worst in the anime
PS: Bitches don't know bout my One Piece group
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The pacing is horrible indeed, also that zoro fanart looks fantastic!
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
Logia-type defence is pretty much letting the attack go through them, no?
Ace had to block the attack with his body, and not let it go through since it was Luffy he was defending. Though it pisses me off, to say the least, that the whole death of Ace was in part (pretty damn large part too) caused by Luffy getting distracted by a bit of paper* ... while an Admiral was attacking.
I can only assume after big fight scenes Luffy starts blaming himself (rightly so!) for Ace's death.
I'm a fan of the Ace pic myself.
It doesn't exactly not make sense (since technically, the Magma would smother Ace's Fire out), but I agree that I didn't like the explanation. "Magma>Fire" was something that made me go o_O when I first read it.
The part about magma 'burning' even fire doesn't make any sense.
Regardless of magma "burning" fire or not, it was made perfectly clear that Akainu > Ace when they first clashed, seanos also makes an excellent point, if he jumped in to save Luffy disolving into fire before getting hit would acomplish nothing.
There was a part that i believe they skipped where Luffy tried to stand up and evade Akainu but was too tired to move, that`s when the paper dropped.
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
Yes I know, hence the whole "Fire burns Magma" was really unnecessary.
Missed this comment. I think its pretty unfair to lay the blame on Luffy. Why the hell did Ace have to go and get provoked by Akainu when he could have escaped? He pulled a Squardo and walked right into a trap. By doing so, he put Luffy in danger (since there is no way Luffy was going to escape without Ace) and was forced to take Akainu's punch in the end to protect him.
I have repeated it to death, but who here thinks after all the scenes with Ace that he really wanted to escape? He didn't want to be saved in the first place. He only wanted to feel like people needed him and were glad he (once) was there. That was proven many times over simply by the fact they appeared there. After that it was all over for Ace. As it happens, Whitebeard was the person who first gave this feeling to Ace, so it's pretty much a nobrainer leaving Whitebeard there to die alone would have gone against all of Ace's desires and thus there was no way he would have let a chance like getting provoked by Akainu to slip. He was waiting for an opportunity like that. Nevertheless, dying while defending Luffy was probably were satisfying to him as well.
I dunno. I think Ace would've been more than content with living for the sake of his brother. He just got hot-headed (no pun intended) about Akainu dishonoring Whitebeard, and that's what ultimately got him in this predicament.
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
Those things aren't mutually exclusive you know. He could have been angry at Akainu and because he doesn't particularly hold his life in high value, he decided to attack instead of run away.
true he didn't want to be saved at first. but isn't there a scene where ace starts crying because all of a sudden he wants to live?
Just finished watching the episode there, am very disappointed Ace died
Though on a positive side, think from here Luffy will start to get very strong due to Ace's death (Hopefully), otherwise it'd be pointless! He was definitely one of the best characters
I don't really agree with that at all. I read most of the manga after it's already aired to see the differences, and I find the manga to be paced almost TOO fast. Especially in this arc. The amount of crap that goes on in any given chapter makes the whole thing seem like a frantic clusterfuck.
And, at the end of the day, fights just fucking suck when they aren't animated.
Things like Whitebeard tipping the entire island are about 10x cooler in the anime than they come across in the manga.
Well... The whole thing is supposed to be a frantic clusterfuck. Its a war, and was a race against time to save Ace. It isn't a "hey lets watch 2 people have a duel before we get on with our fight" or "hey lets read entire chapters/watch entire episodes dedicated to minor characters fighting other minor characters".
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