Freezing

[Kraco]

I thought that's what the support roles are for. The Nova are capable of Freezing, so you need your supports to counter-freeze. Pandoras themselves aren't inherently immune or resistant to its effects.

I'm not really sure what your point is, in relation to my comment.

I was talking about the scene where Satella intended to intervene but was frozen by Eli's support, whom Eli naturally had with her. But where was Satella's partner, Kazuya? Nowhere in sight because Satella's such an untouchable queen she doesn't fully get, deep down, their role in battle, to her detriment. This is why I said she might not be ready for the baptism herself. She would only go for it (if she wasn't so shy) because she likes Kazuya as a man and because her pride tells her all the other top Pandora obviously have a Limiter. But she hasn't wrapped her head around the fact she can't perform at 100% as a Pandora without a Limiter at hand.

[Buffalobiian]

I'm not really sure what your point is, in relation to my comment.

I was talking about the scene where Satella intended to intervene but was frozen by Eli's support, whom Eli naturally had with her. But where was Satella's partner, Kazuya? Nowhere in sight because Satella's such an untouchable queen she doesn't fully get, deep down, their role in battle, to her detriment. This is why I said she might not be ready for the baptism herself. She would only go for it (if she wasn't so shy) because she likes Kazuya as a man and because her pride tells her all the other top Pandora obviously have a Limiter. But she hasn't wrapped her head around the fact she can't perform at 100% as a Pandora without a Limiter at hand.

I thought you were saying that Satellizer got stropped (frozen by Andrei) because she couldn't comprehend the idea of having a partner.

I'll agree to an extent since Satellizer didn't bring Kazuya along, but she also moved on her own accord since she's supposed to be on standby. Getting someone else to break the law with her doesn't sound all that plausible either. This is particularly the case since it was an emergency and she came along just because she had a hunch.

[Kraco]

I thought you were saying that Satellizer got stropped (frozen by Andrei) because she couldn't comprehend the idea of having a partner.

Exactly. It's like she didn't realise it could happen - because in her head she doesn't count for the existence of a Limiter. It's all fine during the bouts and such, but this situation was a real battle situation. The combat unit is a Pandora+Limiter. Having only a Pandora is less than a single unit. That's what she doesn't fully realise yet.

I'll agree to an extent since Satellizer didn't bring Kazuya along, but she also moved on her own accord since she's supposed to be on standby. Getting someone else to break the law with her doesn't sound all that plausible either. This is particularly the case since it was an emergency and she came along just because she had a hunch.

I find that just sad. It's made all the sadder by Satella begging Eli to allow her to participate in the protest (meaning, Satella should be allowed to break the law for the greater good, but Kazuya not even given the chance). I'm not sure it's pure consideration on Satella's part to not even ask Kazuya. On one hand Satella likes to behave as if they were a real combat unit already, like with her reaction to the initial room arrangement (that the thrice-cursed Rana broke), but on the other hand Satella forgets Kazuya and thus also Kazuya's feelings whenever it suits her.