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    I guess this was the reason why she didn't Satella to follow her; she foresaw this conclusion of the likely one. I suppose Chevalier will lose one investor after this.

    Kind of funny to only talk about the preview like it already happened, but it's not like this ep had that much content in it. But it's really evident Satella might not even be ready for the baptism herself: She still can't inherently comprehend the role of freezing in battle and thus got so easily stopped by her peers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco
    But it's really evident Satella might not even be ready for the baptism herself: She still can't inherently comprehend the role of freezing in battle and thus got so easily stopped by her peers.
    I thought that's what the support roles are for. The Nova are capable of Freezing, so you need your supports to counter-freeze. Pandoras themselves aren't inherently immune or resistant to its effects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian View Post
    I thought that's what the support roles are for. The Nova are capable of Freezing, so you need your supports to counter-freeze. Pandoras themselves aren't inherently immune or resistant to its effects.
    I'm not really sure what your point is, in relation to my comment.

    I was talking about the scene where Satella intended to intervene but was frozen by Eli's support, whom Eli naturally had with her. But where was Satella's partner, Kazuya? Nowhere in sight because Satella's such an untouchable queen she doesn't fully get, deep down, their role in battle, to her detriment. This is why I said she might not be ready for the baptism herself. She would only go for it (if she wasn't so shy) because she likes Kazuya as a man and because her pride tells her all the other top Pandora obviously have a Limiter. But she hasn't wrapped her head around the fact she can't perform at 100% as a Pandora without a Limiter at hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco View Post
    I'm not really sure what your point is, in relation to my comment.

    I was talking about the scene where Satella intended to intervene but was frozen by Eli's support, whom Eli naturally had with her. But where was Satella's partner, Kazuya? Nowhere in sight because Satella's such an untouchable queen she doesn't fully get, deep down, their role in battle, to her detriment. This is why I said she might not be ready for the baptism herself. She would only go for it (if she wasn't so shy) because she likes Kazuya as a man and because her pride tells her all the other top Pandora obviously have a Limiter. But she hasn't wrapped her head around the fact she can't perform at 100% as a Pandora without a Limiter at hand.
    I thought you were saying that Satellizer got stropped (frozen by Andrei) because she couldn't comprehend the idea of having a partner.

    I'll agree to an extent since Satellizer didn't bring Kazuya along, but she also moved on her own accord since she's supposed to be on standby. Getting someone else to break the law with her doesn't sound all that plausible either. This is particularly the case since it was an emergency and she came along just because she had a hunch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian View Post
    I thought you were saying that Satellizer got stropped (frozen by Andrei) because she couldn't comprehend the idea of having a partner.
    Exactly. It's like she didn't realise it could happen - because in her head she doesn't count for the existence of a Limiter. It's all fine during the bouts and such, but this situation was a real battle situation. The combat unit is a Pandora+Limiter. Having only a Pandora is less than a single unit. That's what she doesn't fully realise yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian View Post
    I'll agree to an extent since Satellizer didn't bring Kazuya along, but she also moved on her own accord since she's supposed to be on standby. Getting someone else to break the law with her doesn't sound all that plausible either. This is particularly the case since it was an emergency and she came along just because she had a hunch.
    I find that just sad. It's made all the sadder by Satella begging Eli to allow her to participate in the protest (meaning, Satella should be allowed to break the law for the greater good, but Kazuya not even given the chance). I'm not sure it's pure consideration on Satella's part to not even ask Kazuya. On one hand Satella likes to behave as if they were a real combat unit already, like with her reaction to the initial room arrangement (that the thrice-cursed Rana broke), but on the other hand Satella forgets Kazuya and thus also Kazuya's feelings whenever it suits her.

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    Episode 5 - Hatsuyuki





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    Looks like the Mably family hadn't run their business altogether cleanly if they were brough down this easily. After all, governments wouldn't give an organization like Chevalier any extra powers considering how powerful Pandoras alone make it. On the contrary, if an organization like Chevalier tried to do anything shady, their leadership would be brought down swiftly.

    Looks like Elizabeth is finished in any case. Severe brain damage or something. I wonder how they are going to justify that...

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    I had forgotten that Satella was against baptising because she was abused as a child.

    As for Elizabeth.. I'm hopeful at the moment. Somehow this actual episode didn't bring about as much dread as the preview from last week did. As for the scandals, I wonder how truthful they are, or whether they were set up. If Chevalier can hide their dirty work, it's not impossible to create some dirty evidence for the Mably family either.

    Amelia's scene really shouldn't have ended without seeing Eli personally. The whole family thing is drastic and all, but the mindbreak's what symbolises the self-sacrifice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian View Post
    If Chevalier can hide their dirty work, it's not impossible to create some dirty evidence for the Mably family either.
    It's true we only saw some headlines and that's pretty much it. But the episode did give an impression the company was done for. Fabricated evidence alone doesn't really lead to that, at most to a fall in stock prices (if it's a corporation), loss of revenue, and investigations, unless we are talking about China or something. Although this story is written by a Korean, and South Korea used to be ruled by a military junta up till late 80's, so I imagine it's possible Koreans could have a bit different world view with lots of extrajudicial actions being taken against individuals and business. I'm no expert on Korea, though, so who knows.

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    Hmm seems they mixed two arc into one. Because the whole Bali thing was supposed to have happened before Alaska, not during. I wonder how dark it will get in the anime. Because she obviously fears her brother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoCybercoin View Post
    I wonder how dark it will get in the anime. Because she obviously fears her brother.
    I began to really hope Kazuya will get a chance to shine when the brother appeared. After all, we are 5 eps in, and he might as well not have appeared at all, for all his impact on the stuff going on.

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    Pfff nobody cares about Kazuya anymore. Not until he shows he has the balls.

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    He didn't show his power
    We were not reminded anything about his sister and her stigmata being implanted in Satella.
    Truth be told, even Satella wasn't really a MC during all those eps, Eli had more flesh, monster and the e-pandoras too.

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    Episode 6 - Hiryuu

    Glad that went a lot faster than I thought it would. It will most likely be over by the next episode already. Which is good.
    And it seems Kazuya does have some balls after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoCybercoin View Post
    Episode 6 - Hiryuu

    Glad that went a lot faster than I thought it would. It will most likely be over by the next episode already. Which is good.
    And it seems Kazuya does have some balls after all.
    I really wished Kazuya's stand happened half an episode earlier. The cliffhanger too... he's bound do his signature super-freeze. They can redeem this cliffhanger by giving us a full episode of downed-beating by Kazuya. (Won't happen ofc, he'll just walk away with Satella)

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    Usually Kazuya doesn't care approaching Satella. So the 2 scenes where his hand is shown wanting to touch her felt artificial in the first place.
    But all in all, it was a much better episode than what we've been served before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David75 View Post
    Usually Kazuya doesn't care approaching Satella. So the 2 scenes where his hand is shown wanting to touch her felt artificial in the first place.
    Perhaps he only tried to touch her now because he saw the brother touch her and Satella didn't resist (although it takes a genuine Japanese man not to notice the look of absolute terror on Satella's face). It's not like he wouldn't want to touch, or at least I hope so. But he wouldn't touch because she always looks so uncomfortable. Still, he does need to break the ice sooner or later, as Satella herself likely will only try to postpone it indefinitely, unless something major happens.

    I'm very glad Kazuya showed some balls here, finally. Although I'm disappointed with his lack of kung fu and thus getting punched by the evil brother. He's Asian, for crying out loud, so he should know at least a few good moves as a birthright.

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    I'd actually say that the Japanese should be better at reading faces and non-verbal cues than others since their society seems to rely on it so much in order not to step on each other's toes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian View Post
    I'd actually say that the Japanese should be better at reading faces and non-verbal cues than others since their society seems to rely on it so much in order not to step on each other's toes.
    Ten thousand harem series male main characters beg to disagree with you.

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    Hiryuu - Vibration Episode 07


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    That was painful to watch. I can see the desire for the writers to make Satella settle this all by herself and turn Louis/Holly into good people to end the arc.. but it was still painful. Kazuya was all but useless. Satella said she'll protect me, so I should just stand here and let her do that! He didn't even counterfreeze the other duo.

    Staying up to watch this episode just doubles the disappointment for me.

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    Although I fully agree on the painfulness of watching this episode, and especially the miracle curing of the evil brother's rotten personality, I can somewhat understand why Kazuya decided to take such a passive role. Under normal circumstances the kind of situation Satella was in would be most efficiently broken if she does it herself. She was sickly dependent on her brother for most of her life, so she needed to get rid of those chains and stand up for herself. Yet on the other hand loneliness was her second curse, and that's where Kazuya stands to help. I reckon he did it sufficiently by encouraging her as much as was possible. And he did break the freezing, which is naturally something only he could do and thus impossible to leave to Satella herself.

    The weakest part of this ep was the brother not dying when he jumped. I knew he was going to jump as soon as they began to show the waves rolling against the rocks like in some horror movie from the B/W days. But that he survived the jump destroyed any stylistic theme, let alone victory, those scenes were hoped to produce. I mean, in the old movies the jump would surely have been lethal. This show is otherwise so cruel and bloody that it's hard to see why the abysmal brother needed a sugary ending.

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