Freezing

[Buffalobiian]

I did get my dose of Elizabeth though. That was good.

[David75]

I did get my dose of Elizabeth though. That was good.

Svelte, long blond hair always bare breasted in her private pool?

[Buffalobiian]

Svelte, long blond hair always bare breasted in her private pool?

Right on. She's classy.

[Buffalobiian]

Hiryuu - S2 Episode 02

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Svelte, long blond hair always bare breasted in her private pool?

As it turns out, in any pool!!!

Best. Episode. Ever. ~~

I downloaded Horriblesubs before, but it was deleted with fire as soon as I saw Elizabeth's beauty being blighted. They say pandoras die and shit. Please don't let this be a set-up for that. The OP has a shot of her in hospital, so it's hopeful that she'll survive whatever hits her.. so in that case please don't extract her Stigmata. I need her hanging around the pool on screen.

[David75]

That ep was better, I mean for the Freezing franchise of course.
But it's surprising they would spend some time on inferior pandoras, when the one they have last under a minute at best in real combat conditions. What would be the purpose of E-pandoras? They would be totally useless on the battlefield, at least as they are now.
Maybe their only quality would be they aren't compatible with Nova and can't be brain-hacked and turn against humanity as puppets... like pandoras do.

[Buffalobiian]

If the project is successful, then the E-pandora could be produced en mass. They're weak now and need to improve using the original pandora. It seems reasonable enough. It doesn't sound like the e-pandoras are mentally prepared to die though, which could be a problem when the real crisis kicks in.

[Kraco]

Quite a decent episode in my opinion. The setting is kind of a cliche, but that's okay with this show. The execution of the mock fight especially was good, with one side doomed to losing from the beginning and the other side not knowing how exactly how far to go. With the fundamental purpose of the fights so far removed from the contestants themselves, the motivations were all over the place. The E-Pandoras naturally simply wanted to prove their worth, their right to exist and participate in humanity's efforts against the Novas, while the real Pandoras were supposed to be nothing but measurement devices to see how high the E-Pandoras could jump. I'm happy the real Pandoras ended up supporting the E-Pandoras despite the fact Pandoras are known to be very competitive, proud, and even arrogant. Though it's always easy to appear magnanimous from a position of absolute superiority.

But I fucking hate the other cliche of Kazuya getting kicked out of the shared room with Satella and instead the girls sharing it. I wish Kazuya had enough balls to be a man every once in a while and do what he wants to do (assuming he does want anything).

It doesn't sound like the e-pandoras are mentally prepared to die though, which could be a problem when the real crisis kicks in.

Nobody needs people who are mentally prepared to die. They need people who are ready to fight to win, no matter the cost.

[Buffalobiian]

Nobody needs people who are mentally prepared to die. They need people who are ready to fight to win, no matter the cost.

Allow me to rephrase: they're not mentally aware that death is a real possibility.

[NeoCybercoin]

I don't think Kazuya got kicked out of his own room. I think he left on his own since he was the source of the problem in his eyes. But still.......what the hell was he thinking? Sharing a room with Stella like that.

[Kraco]

I don't think Kazuya got kicked out of his own room. I think he left on his own since he was the source of the problem in his eyes. But still.......what the hell was he thinking? Sharing a room with Stella like that.

I was talking about a cliche, so that cliche kicked him out of the room, not any other character. There are myriad other anime/manga, where a guy and girl have been travelling together, but then from somewhere appear more girls, and they don't allow the original pair anymore such privacy. So, it's always going to be girls sharing a room and the guy spending his time in loneliness (but I guess it's okay, since he doesn't have any balls anyway, so at least that way he can't disappoint a girl).

[Buffalobiian]

Hiryuu - S2 Episode 03


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Stupid scientific labs..

I can see Elizabeth advocating for E-Pandora safety after this fight.

[Kraco]

It looks like the kind of research where sacrifices cannot be avoided if results are wanted quickly for the ongoing war. But you certainly are correct in the sense that it doesn't look like a fully sanctioned project with acknowledged unknowns (like science shoud be), but rather something an organization or a company is doing on a false premise to secure their funding and continuation. The scientist woman's behavior was highly divided as well between trying to meet the progress expectations and at least trying to maintain some principles. But the fact they were keeping so many secrets fundamentally renders the whole thing quite fell. I suppose one problem is that watching the pandora girls swimming and enjoying themselves doesn't really give an impression the humanity is in any imminent danger of annihilation, justifying inhuman experimentation.

[David75]

Freezing is not a stellar anime by any standards.
But at least it does not try to be elitist or something it isn't.
It's a fanservice show, with simple shonen/seinen structure and a simple story line. Yet you can enjoy it for what it is for now. I had my doubts in ep1.
I'm just a little frustrated at Satela, she's a second character for now. But I understand that they have to give some flesh to other characters to try and build a storyline.

It was a bit surprising they used Satela's data. From what I remember, she is an odd one. Number of Stigmata, the way she was implanted and everything is non standard about her. She might just be you 6sigma kind of test subject that survived her stigmata and accessed a huge source of powers she only exploited to a bare minimum as of yet.
So it's a bit strange a scientist would chose that as a model, when Elisabeth and the others among the top seems to be "easier" models to apprehend from a scientific angle.

But again, that might be because it will give Satela a major role in solving the crisis, as she becomes defacto the only one to truly understand some of the specifics of the powers implanted in Gina. Or also she might be somewhat controllable by Kazuya's Limiter.

[Kraco]

I'm just a little frustrated at Satela, she's a second character for now. But I understand that they have to give some flesh to other characters to try and build a storyline.

If Satella seems like a secondary character now, what does that make Kazuya? Barely even a tertiary one. Even Rana, let her name be cursed, seems more important than Kazuya at the moment.

[Buffalobiian]

It was a bit surprising they used Satela's data. From what I remember, she is an odd one. Number of Stigmata, the way she was implanted and everything is non standard about her. She might just be you 6sigma kind of test subject that survived her stigmata and accessed a huge source of powers she only exploited to a bare minimum as of yet.

If Satellizer has 6 stigmatas in her, it might be a good to use her data since the idea with MkIV was to activate the stigmatas in the e-pandoras. I'll agree with you if instead of compatibility we're looking for maximum exploitation - we should be looking at Ms Monster there. She's got... 3 (only)?

[Kraco]

In any case, weren't they just unnecessarily greedy to speed up the process? Normal sense would dictate they use data from a very average but exceedingly stable person (that is, not somebody from this flock of elites they invited). They have a process they clearly understand very poorly and can predict the result of even less, yet they still went for the maximum output right off the bat. While I think the E-Pandora is a very worthy project, despite what we have seen, I think the boss man on the phone belongs in a prison and the scientist lady would deserve a few good punches in the head and a long lecture about ethics.

[Buffalobiian]

You know, given the state the world is supposedly in I'm wondering why there's so much resistance to the e-pandora project before this. They haven't told us anything about a competing project. Cutting funds to line pockets isn't going to save people from the Nova, the cut funds should have gone to another rival department.

[David75]

As Kraco (I think) mentionned before, we do not have any useful background on the state of their world.
Things I remember tell me that there are cities, research facilities and strong states still there with army and lots of equipment that suppose the world can still operate freely enough.
I guess that's the maximum we get get from a show which purpose is elsewhere

We even totally forgot about Kazuya's sister and his sister complex. And the fact that some of the Stigmata she had are now implanted in Satella, explaining their natural pairing.
Doesn't matter in the end, boobs and ass do!

[Buffalobiian]

Things I remember tell me that there are cities, research facilities and strong states still there with army and lots of equipment that suppose the world can still operate freely enough.

The only thing that works against the Nova when they get in close are the Pandoras because the Nova freezes anything else. They also said a few episodes ago that Pandoras die left, right a center. All that leads me to believe that pandoras are the last line between humans and their destruction..

But yeah, just keep feeding me more Mably and I'm happy.

[Buffalobiian]

Hiryuu - S2 Episode 04

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WHAT the FUCK did you do to my Eli!?

I haven't been so furious in a long, long time. At first I thought maybe Chiffon did it, but she seemed just as surprised. Now I really want to watch the episode, but I might break something if I do.. FFF------


edit: post-rage, and now using my brain. Perhaps it was a forceful stigmata extraction.