Good season premier. I was surprised they ended Terminus so quickly, basically in two episodes even if their leader survives. I thought they could milk it for a few episodes at the least, if not the entire season. Not sure who much time they'll spend on the flashback to how Terminus came to be a cannibal community, but I guess they're setting up Gareth's background so we can sympathize or at least understand his motivations once he becomes a part of the group.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
What? Once he becomes part of the group?Originally Posted by Animeniax
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It was shown in the SDCC trailer. Originally it appeared as though he was "allowing" Rick's group to survive for an unknown reason, but now, based on the premier, it does appear that he becomes "a part of the group". What that means exactly is still to be determined.
@Ani: I'm confused why you think they should have been able to extend the main Terminus storyline. After everything that has happened to Rick and the group, I don't believe for a second they would agree to work for or with Gareth, at least while being captive. Even ignoring that, Terminus has a cut-and-dry method of dealing with anyone that starts up trouble. The premier is exactly what I would have expected between both parties. The ONLY possible way that I could have seen Terminus being spread out further was if Judith was somehow captured and used against Rick.
Ultimately though, I don't think the producers really wanted to spend a lot of time on Terminus since it's a TV-only creation, and they didn't want to risk fan disapproval.
Back to the premier though, I don't think Tyreese killed that guy. And I think that will come back to haunt him. Maybe that guy is who leads Gareth to Rick's new settlement.
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Maybe not extend the Terminus part so much, but they could have shown Rick and crew dealing with being captive, maybe interrogations or a short lived escape, or even showing Carol and Tyrese scoping the place out and making plans before the rescue. They kinda had a lot happen relatively quickly with Carol seeing Rick and crew getting captured, attacking Terminus herself, then everyone getting freed and leaving. They could have filled 2 or 3 episodes with everything that happened, but people might not have enjoyed it as much.
Also I recall we saw Gareth get shot as walkers surround him, so it will be amazing how he survives. Though the fact he survived those aholes who took over Terminus in the flashbacks shows his resiliency and toughness.
I think Tyrese did finish the guy. That guy had "one episode character" written all over him.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Ahh that explains why i was confused by what Ani wrote, lol.
I didn't watch any trailers or teasers for season 5 at all because i still had the final 3 episodes from last season saved up for some reason, so i watched those plus the s5 premiere in one go... which was awesome :P
Now i'm really curious why the hell they would let Gareth (if he survived) anywhere near the group again, let alone actually join them, unless he has some incredibly useful knowledge/skill/talent they could use. Even if that were the case, i still find it really hard to believe they would allow him to join up them.
Or maybe, for some reason, they take him as some kind of hostage/prisoner instead of just killing him.
I'm also seriously loving this new "unleashed" version of Rick. None of that doubt/hesitation crap, just straight up take out any fuckers that deserve it and/or pose a threat.
Also, Carol was pretty badass when she went fucking Rambo on Terminus lol
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"Always be yourself... unless you suck."
Actually I cribbed that factoid from Alhuin's post about Gareth joining the group. I just watched the trailer and this season looks awesome. It looks like Gareth joins the group on their quest to Washington with the cure, but not fully trusting him along the way. I definitely prefer that they are on the move this season.
New Rick is awesome, but we needed old Rick to set up this change so it's all the more badass. Same with Carol, wow what a change from the first season where she was a helpless victim! Now she's almost single-handedly taking down an entire group and their compound!! I was actually happy to see her reunite with Daryl and now a love interest side story isn't a bad idea like I thought before.
Also I completely forgot about Beth until I saw the end of that trailer.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
I guess the trailer had some red herrings in it. Brutal church scene.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Yeah, I guess they really wanted to throw us off. At least I was right though; I could see no conceivable way that Rick would ever work with Gareth.
Oh, and I knew Tyrese didn't kill that guy.
It was nice to see the Hunters' story tied into the TV series now. I knew that Gareth was modeled after Chris, but I had been wondering how everything would play out, considering Dale died back in season 2. But as soon as I saw Bob leave the church, I knew exactly what was going to happen. I'm not quite sure how Rick figured to come back to the church though. There hadn't been any hints of him laying a trap, and I know there was no way they made it to the "school building" and back in that short amount of time.
Also, I don't see why they needed to split up at the end. The initial reason was because of the threat of Gareth and his group, but since that threat is gone, why didn't they either all stay or all go? I guess maybe the bus wasn't big enough for them all...
However, that does set up the next part of the story. Alexandria...
I'm not going to spoil, but let's just say... there was a lot of foreshadowing in the season premier.
It's dangerous to go alone. Take Nep.
I didn't think Gareth was all bad, just trying to survive. I thought they showed his history as kind of an explanation for his current mindset so we could sympathize with him, leading up to him joining the group. If he had something to offer and showed remorse, I could see Rick forgiving him. But the way he was in this episode, I see I was wrong about that. He's a bad guy throughout.
I was surprised Tyrese didn't kill that guy, but I guess it goes with his big teddy bear character. Kinda frustrating but it's the character and I'm sure his lack of killer instinct will be a source of tension and problems in the future.
Yeah Rick and co going to the school and getting back to the church in time was a bit off. I chalked it up to how much time the cannibals spent negotiating with the people in the church, and Carl stalled them long enough to give Rick a chance to circle back.
They split because Sarge wanted to get going to Washington but Rick wanted to wait for Daryl and Carol to return.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Well that was an amazing, albeit predictable, mid-season finale.
I was surprised Rick actually agreed to do the exchange inside the hospital, especially considering Woodbury and Terminus. He was basically giving the "enemy" the advantage. Speaking of "enemy" though, I still can't figure out if Don (Dawn?) was essentially good, or bad. Sure, she made irresponsible and cruel decisions, but from what we saw, and what she explained, it seemed like most of those decisions were necessary. She didn't kill Beth when she had the chance many times, she helped keep Carol alive, she covered for Beth when that one rape-cop was killed... but then she plays the villain card when she demands that Noah stay with them as well. Beth says "I get it now"... but I'll be honest, I don't get it. TWD has ruined me in thinking that, anyone who opposes the main group of characters, is instantly a bad guy. So I really don't know how to feel about Don/Dawn.
I'm glad they didn't end on a cliffhanger this time though. I didn't like the final scenes with Morgan. It inferred that he was going to make his way to Washington, but we have no idea if Rick's group is still going to head that way, so it's possible they won't meet up. Other than that, I feel like this really could have been an actual season finale. The wait for Feb. won't be so hard.
It's dangerous to go alone. Take Nep.
Damn, I did not see that coming at all.
Also, fuck whoever it was that came up with the idea of mid-season breaks.
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"Always be yourself... unless you suck."
I loved the scene with Rick making the deal with the two cops in the parking lot. Didn't like how the actual tradeoff went down. Like Alhuin said, strategically it was bad for the TWD group. I also didn't like how they let their guard down and walked away after the exchange. They should all be dead now, but maybe Rick trusted the other side wouldn't go that far because they are cops.
Somehow the two or three episodes it took to hash out Dawn's mindset and Beth understanding it seemed redundant. Like it shouldn't have taken that long to understand her motivations. I won't miss Beth, her character was always kind of weak and under-utilized.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Wow, surprised Tyreese is done. I'm happy he's gone, as I didn't like the character even if I understand the conflict and turmoil that he personified about life in a post-apocalypse. I thought they were going to pull a fast one on us with the arm trick, but I think they did that on purpose to mess with fans of the show who aren't fans of Tyreese. Though I wonder what other large black guy will join the group now. Noah doesn't quite fit the mold of T-Dog, that unnamed prison guy, then Tyreese.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
What was with the truck filled with the severed torsos (from all the legs at the break in the wall) at the end?? Add in the letter carved into their foreheads and it's pretty creepy.
With Tyreese gone now who's the moral compass? Certainly not Glen after the discussion with Rick in the driveway. Michone? That seems somewhat ironic with all the decapitations she does.
I think the mutilated corpses goes with Rick, Glen, and Michonne's discussion about finding safety and being out in the zombie world too long, and with Tyreese's choices to be a pussy cat instead of a killer. The people in Noah's old community went crazy with despair and started doing some heinous shit like chopping up bodies and mutilating them. Kind of like a cabin fever effect.
I'm sure they'll replace Tyreese with another moral person, same as Tyreese replaced Hershel.
edit [SPOILER]: I read an article http://uproxx.com/tv/2015/02/all-the...-walking-dead/) about some details in this episode that most viewers might miss and they said the mark on the heads of the dismembered torsos are possibly made by a group from the comic books. So I guess they'll be in the show sooner or later.
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“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
I didn't get a notification that anyone had posted here, but I'm glad I'm not the only one still watching.
Last night's episode (which I couldn't see until tonight) pissed me off, knowing what is supposed to happen, from the comics. I won't discuss it, for spoiler's sake, but I really needed to get that off my chest.
Other than that, though, it was a pretty good episode. You could tell that Rick was struggling not to kill Pete for the longest time, which makes the misunderstanding/miscommunication quite sad. I didn't expect Michonne to knock him out the way she did, but it was probably for the best. It looked like Carl might be getting some action soon, if you know what I mean.
Seriously can't wait for the finale, though based on the previews, I think it's going to frustrate me.
It's dangerous to go alone. Take Nep.
Yeah according to what Norman Reedus said, it looks like someone important will die in the season finale. My bet is on Glenn with that wormy coward guy now toting. Or the group leaves the town but some of their members opt to remain and leave the show (Michonne, Carl, Judith).
I don't like how they portrayed the crew and their inability to let go and settle in, especially Rick. While it makes sense and speaks to the human condition, what happens after this story arc? Will they go back out into zombie world and find solace in killing more zombies and living dangerously? I think that leads to more mental health issues, more rotating cast of characters as they die, and it will be harder for them to settle into the next haven they find.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
It's hard for me to reply to any of those questions or statements, without giving away spoilers.
If I were to go purely based on the last few episodes, and the preview, my guess is that Rick will be exiled, but he'll stay close plotting his revenge/takeover. He won't want to leave his people either. During this same time, Darryl and Aaron will come across the group that has been mutilating the walkers, and carving 'W's into their head. Darryl or Aaron may die/become injured (based on the interview with Norman Reedus), and the group will follow them back to Alexandria. That group will then attack Alexandria, Rick will come in to help his people, and the episode will end with Rick standing over a bunch of bodies, all bloody, stating that this group is "proof" that the community needs him.
There was talk of an article (I haven't read it, but a coworker said they did) that the 'W's are actually 'M's for Morgan, saying he's the one that has been marking them. I can't find the article, so I'm not sure how legit that is.
It's dangerous to go alone. Take Nep.
From the preview it definitely looks like they will try to exile Rick, but I can't see that most of his people will stay if he leaves. Daryl and Carol at least wouldn't, and Sasha is about ready to leave too. The Washington group might stay since they've only recently joined and only have loose ties to the group. I can't see Carl willfully abandoning his dad either, though I can see Rick wanting him to stay so he can live a more normal life. If previous seasons are a hint though, I wouldn't be surprised if Alexandria falls and the group moves on to a new setting next season, along with new members from Alexandria like Jessie as a love interest and counter-balance for Rick.
If the mutilations are Morgan's work, I wonder why he would do that. Marking them instead of killing them doesn't seem to fit any objective for a loner like Morgan.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Well, I was pleasantly surprised with the finale. I cringed for probably half the episode, expecting things to happen that would screw with the comic storyline. But in the end, I thought it was a good episode.
Morgan having Jedi moves was an awesome opening. I understand why he didn't kill those guys, but man, that's going to come back and haunt him, I'm sure. The Wolves appear to be a TV-only group; the closest I could compare them to in the comics is a group that's active right now, which wouldn't make sense. I'm almost positive that one, if not all of the Wolves, were the ones exiled from Alexandria previously. It seems like they're building an army of walkers to take to the gates. That should make for an interesting first-half of season 6.
I was glad that Rick wasn't exiled, however close he may have been. Even without knowledge of the comics, the whole situation was based on lies and misunderstandings. I'm looking forward to seeing how he and Deanna run the community next season. I suspect that Gabriel will withdraw his warning, now that he's had his breakdown, and seen that the group isn't going to abandon him. Nicholas has probably reached his peak as well. I'm sure he still doesn't really like Glenn, but I don't think he'll be stupid enough to try and kill him again. Sasha will probably calm down as well. I feel like this was a rather "happy" ending to the season, compared to previous seasons.
I really hope that Morgan doesn't decide to leave because of how Rick has changed. We've been waiting 5 seasons for them to reunite!
It's dangerous to go alone. Take Nep.
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