Yeah thats it, shitty ass video quality, but it's the only one available so can't be too picky :P
Yeah thats it, shitty ass video quality, but it's the only one available so can't be too picky :P
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"Always be yourself... unless you suck."
You could always catch the latest episode of both shows on AMC's website (with your provider login). Do you always watch this show from a stream/torrent?
http://www.amctv.com/full-episodes/talking-dead
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Always from torrent, but for whatever reason the last couple of Talking Dead episodes have been released later and later after the actual WD ep. It's annoying as shit lol
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"Always be yourself... unless you suck."
So the Governor reawakens. It was obvious it was going to happen, but I was a little surprised when he took out his former colleague like that. It's good to see that the next episode (the mid-season finale) should be the end of the prison arc.
I don't understand what the horde of zombies stuck in the mud did to him though. Could he not have just driven around them? Or taken a different route altogether? I just don't see why that made him go back to the camp he originally claimed was unsafe, when he was originally proclaiming he didn't want to lead it.
It's dangerous to go alone. Take Nep.
Notice how much better the show is when we don't have to see the retarded stagnant prison people and their whiny concerns! So it seems like the writing is actually being held back hardcore by the comic. If the spinoff is with the governer or of similar quality, I'm ditching this show for that.
@Alhuin: He was probably reminded that camp was probably still objectively safer than driving off into the middle of no where in the middle of the night.
also http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/11/24/wa...y-dead-weight/
"Leaving hell is not the same as entering it." - Tierce Japhrimel
I think you got it right, Sapphy, and it's a big part of what makes the governor what he is. The people at the prison are wishy-washy and lack leadership, which makes their story hard to sympathize with. We keep wanting them to die or suffer for their silliness. Meanwhile we're rooting for the Governor even when he's killing people because (like Walt in BB) he's direct and does what needs to be done.
While watching it I thought the zombies in the mud showed the Gov that he can try to run but walkers will always be there no matter where he goes, so he might as well stay. According to that article I think that seems about right.
Did you read about a spin-off somewhere legit? Because it seems like the prison group and the Gov's stories are about to intersect in a big way. I think he will ask them to let his new group join them in the prison... or threaten and force them out, hence them leaving the prison soon.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
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"Always be yourself... unless you suck."
MFW the author says the comic could last for another 8-20 years. Doesn't give me any hope that the pacing of the show will pick up.Originally Posted by Wikipedia
"Leaving hell is not the same as entering it." - Tierce Japhrimel
Who else thinks it's a bad idea/kinda ludacris that the Gov let Mitch live (he killed his brother Pete). Unless Mitch is a complete piece of shit, there's no way he won't try to kill the guy who killed his own brother.
I think it means the show will continue to diverge from the comics to the point that it may use some similar story elements but be on its own creatively. So the story in the show could speed up, unless AMC doesn't want to lose another ratings superstar, in which case it could go to 10 seasons, with season after season of slow and shitty writing.
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“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Well, the producers were right about one thing... I did not see Hershel's death coming. I thought for sure that the Governor would take out Michonne first, as payback. However, the rest of the episode was blatantly obvious and lacked any surprise factor whatsoever. Even the Governor's death; the logical choices would have been Michonne or Rick... and I would have been fine with either... but I'm really glad it was Lilly, because it's at least somewhat similar to the graphic novel. I figured they would try and do that, especially after watching the preview last week and seeing the tank, but given the history, I couldn't say for sure.
I feel almost certain that Judith is still alive though. I'm guessing one of the survivors on the bus grabbed her.
I can't wait until Feb. now. No more prison, so maybe things will become interesting again.
EDIT: I lied. After refreshing my memory, there was no reason to not see Hershel's death coming. The majority of this episode played out just like the graphic novel, even if the terms were different. I was also a little off on my time-stamps for certain events (not necessarily related to this episode)... though I can't remember if that has reference here, or with the discussions I have with coworkers.
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It's dangerous to go alone. Take Nep.
Entertaining episode but pretty unrealistic and full of flaws.
- Why was the little girl so far away from her mom? Who lets their kid play unattended during a zombie apocalypse?
- Governor deciding to destroy the very prison he's trying to win with a tank. All the tank really ended up doing was make some holes in the walls.
- Rick's team deciding it'd be a good idea to try to fight a tank head on (turned out it was due to the Governor's shitty battle plan).
- Nobody except Herschel and some fodder dying despite there being a massive gun battle in which a tank was used.
- Kids being more effective than trained killers.
- Judith is obviously alive.
- Wouldn't be surprised if the Governor is still alive since they didn't actually show the bullet in his head.
I liked the episode, it was more realistic than previous episodes. Here are my thoughts:
-People actually died. Although not very many main characters died, it's good to see the Governor's group annihilated.
-I can't believe the governor had such a shitty battle plan like the above poster mentioned ^^.
-The kids caught the trained killer off guard because she didn't know she was fighting children.
-Finally, stupid power hungry men like the governor only feel useful when they can boss other people around. That attitude has caused so many problems.
Wow, I'm surprised at the reactions to this episode. I think it's great, a lot of action and progression of the story, and yes people died. I think it's poor writing that Hershel died instead of Michonne, though the Governor probably wanted to keep her alive to make her die slowly and painfully. I also didn't like how long the Governor stood there with his ultimatum, or how long he let Rick try to persuade his people.
To address some of the "flaws" and "plot holes":
- I'm pretty sure Judith is dead. With that trail of blood and all those zombies walking around, if she survived it would be ridiculous. I doubt they'd show a baby's corpse, that would be in poor taste.
- the little girl was far from her mom because of complacency. The camp settlers were too comfortable with their pits and the river, they can't be constantly on guard after surviving so long. Their camp was relatively safe and had survived zombies up to that point. The threat actually came from a zombie already within their camp.
- I think the Governor's bloodlust took over and it became more about killing his enemies than saving the prison. It was the same bloodlust that led him to kill Hershel and implement his "shitty battleplan". It wasn't a plan at all, and Rick's team only reacted to Hershel's death, they didn't "decide" to fight a tank.
-the Governor is definitely dead. Did you guys miss the symbolism of the chess piece with the eye patch getting stepped on by a zombie? If he is "alive" then he might return as a new type of thinking zombie, otherwise why keep him alive (he'd just be another mindless zombie with no thirst for revenge).
The little girl killer squad threw me off guard for damn sure. No way the lesbian chick could have not been seriously in shock from seeing a couple little girls shooting at her men.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Spoiler alert:
In the graphic novel, Lori had her baby, but both died during the Governor's second attack on the prison (which is almost verbatim of this episode, except for the people that were with him, of course). He shot Lori in the back while she was holding Judith; she fell forward and the weight of her dead body crushed the baby to death. That being said, it's entirely possible for the baby to be dead, but the way they've strayed from the comics before, it's also entirely possible that they kept her alive. I'm siding with the latter because of that.
It's dangerous to go alone. Take Nep.
I re-watched that part to see how bad the scene was with the empty baby carrier and it's pretty bad. Blood in the carrier and a blood trail leading away from it.
baby carrier.jpg
She's had such a minor role anyway and her significance as a sign of new beginnings and hope haven't been explored much in the show. With all the death and destruction, having a baby around just didn't make sense. They had little girls gun down two people... the future for Judith was not bright.
I forgot, the scene where Rick looks for Carl near the end was annoying. They didn't show Carl the entire fight just to set up Rick looking desperately for him, only to have Carl save him out of the blue. I don't like obvious cheesy setups like that. I loved seeing tank driver Pete looking for mercy from Daryl, only to get a crossbow bolt through the heart.
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“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Took a while for me to catch up, but I'm glad I did. I was concerned for a while that they were going to take the tv show in a completely different direction from the comics after the last time the Governor waged war on the prison. There are a few differences, but in the end everything seems to be tying up to the same outcome. The only major detail I'm curious to see now is who will become the new group sharpshooter, seeing as in the comics that was supposed to be Andrea. Maybe the sister of the Governor's girlfriend?
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
Called it.
Well, half of it at least. It wasn't a bus survivor.
Oh, and I also knew Carol would come back, though I can't remember if I talked about that here or at work.
It's dangerous to go alone. Take Nep.
You're kidding right? Because that was the most obvious part of the show... the kids basically ran up to her and looked at her during the prison highjack. Unless you thought the baby got shot, turned into a zombie, and then unbuckled herself from her car seat and disappeared.
Now if you predicted Lizzie was the one who killed Tyresse's gf/fed the rats to the zombies (like Kit said), that'd be impressive.
BTW watching Lizzie nearly suffocate the baby was so disgusting and rage-inducing I wanna drop this show now~ :< Season 4 is ridiculously good otherwise, though.
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"Leaving hell is not the same as entering it." - Tierce Japhrimel
You obviously haven't read the posts in this thread, because I'm talking about the debate between myself and Ani. It's literally three posts above. He thought the baby was dead, I said it would still be alive. I called it right. That's all I was saying. Not exactly sure why you felt the need to point out how obvious it was to me. >_>
It's dangerous to go alone. Take Nep.
It wasn't really a debate, so much as guessing (at how depraved the show's writers are *cackle*). I haven't seen the second episode after the break, glad to see some things are revealed.
From the previous episode, they had Rick playing possum pretty heavily. You could see his chest wasn't moving up and down with breathing as he "slept". Of course what would the show be without him, so we knew he wasn't dead.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
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