'Walking Dead' renewed for season 5
Not really surprising news
'Walking Dead' renewed for season 5
Not really surprising news
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"Always be yourself... unless you suck."
I was not expecting the revelation of the killer. I figured it would be the black doctor dude or someone we hadn't met yet... but that was shocking. I guess we can no longer refer to her as a weak victim. *shrug* Of course, killing them and burning them could be two unrelated instances. Miniscule possibility, but worth mentioning just in case.
Did anyone else think the radio broadcast was much clearer in the trailer? I could barely even make out the words in this episode, but I seem to recall it being something along the lines of Resident Evil: Afterlife, with the whole "There is no infection here". Maybe they were using audio from a future scene, I guess.
I hope the whole sickness arc is cleared up within the next couple of episodes. Things are becoming as stale as season 2's farmhouse.
It's dangerous to go alone. Take Nep.
I think it was anti-climatic that it was Carol, kind of matter-of-fact and not as shocking as it should have been. It's nice that they've changed her from a weak and abused old lady into a strong and capable person, but I could care less about the character. I think they should concentrate more on developing other characters.
Also, Rick as a detective is kind of ridiculous. Police officers/sheriffs aren't all mystery sleuths; most are rank and file paper pushers and traffic ticket writers who can't sleuth their way out of not getting diabetes.
And does anyone else think it's weird to see previously racist and anti-social Daryl driving around with 3 black peoples? I'm sure the writers meant to show how people change because of the circumstances of world destruction, but it's just funny to see.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Latest episode is pretty good. Two teams head out looking for medicine and supplies and discover stuff and decide on things. Definitely a lot more going on than at the prison.
Spoiler:
Rick convinces Carol to leave, which wasn't hard to do knowing Tyrese would kill her when he found out she killed those 2 sick people. Found some hilarious comments on the WD fb page, including this:
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“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Yeah, I agree. This was my favourite episode yet. I keep waiting for someone to turn on their car radio and pick up that transmission again. Methinks that's going to be the plot hook that they follow when the prison needs to be evacuated.Originally Posted by Animeniax
It didn't make sense to me how the hippie couple has survived so long without being able to knife a walker or kill one without a gun. Barring situations like Woodbury, it's been a really long time since the initial outbreak and every group of survivors has been hard pressed to fend off the walkers almost constantly. Even Carl has killed his share of walkers. If the two of them couldn't take out a single walker, they didn't have long to live anyhow.
I was surprised that Rick told Carol to leave. I knew he'd have to do something to address it, but I thought they'd be dealing with it in the community. Perhaps it was Carol's lack of remorse that scared Rick more than Tyrese's blind rage. Maybe Tyrese, for all that he's the 'loose cannon' right now, is more human and more relatable than Carol in her current state. Anyhow, it was good to see Rick stepping up and reclaiming his authority.
Will Rick tell the people back at the prison the truth of what he did, and why? Carol is pretty well-liked and well-respected in the community. Not to mention she's Daryl girlfriend, and Daryl has been pretty stubborn in the past about not leaving his brother, even when his brother was a total psychopath and tortured people for fun. I wouldn't be surprised if Daryl went out, found Carol, and brought her back, giving the finger to both Rick and Tyrese.
Yeah that would be a good direction for the show, the crew heading out on the road in search of the source of the radio signal. It's both hopeful and exciting/scary to see what they discover out in the world. I think everyone has had enough of the prison, which is as much a deathtrap as it is a safehaven.
The entire hippie couple scene was awkward and I think just a plot device for Carol and Rick's power play. It helped Rick's justification for asking Carol to leave, which as you said was a good demonstration of Rick's leadership. I think it was the best move, both to create more story paths (Carol is off on her own, maybe picks up some strays to join her, Daryl goes off to find Carol) and to extinguish a potential bloodbath if Carol returned and Tyrese went nuts and Daryl had to fight Tyrese.
I think at this point they should develop the side main characters some more, though to be honest I don't care much about any of them. I liked the doctor they picked up, as he gave more of a scientific spin to the show, but then they killed him off.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
http://tinyurl.com/lz9jfqo
A discussion with one of the shows producers about the most recent episode.
Note the end of the second paragraph where it mentions "Plenty more twists are ahead, you will not see them coming." This, of course, sounds like a challenge to me, and now I want to try and think of every possible direction the show could take, just to prove that statement wrong.
It's dangerous to go alone. Take Nep.
Maybe they'll actually follow the comic is based of? that'd be a twist.
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
From what I'm reading at this point they're so far off the comic storyline that it'd be hard to get back on track. Do you agree or disagree with that?
They hinted at it but I'd like to see new types of walkers, maybe more dangerous or more mutated. They did this in "The Last of Us" and it made the zombies a lot creepier and deadlier, especially the clickers who were attracted by sound.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
I totally agree. I only read the synopsis of the graphic novel up to the prison arc, but even from there, the TV series has completely bypassed major events. And other events have been twisted and changed so dramatically that there is no way of coming back from that. I could give you some ideas, but I'd prefer not to spoil too much in this thread.
It's still possible that certain areas of the novel will be explored, but at this point, the two are only related by setting, in my opinion.
It's kinda like with the Resident Evil movies.
It's dangerous to go alone. Take Nep.
I think it can be done, I wonder if we can talk about comic book things since the producers claimed they're going a different path now.
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
Since the comics have been out a while, I don't think it would be spoiling to discuss what happens there, especially if the moment has passed on the show. I guess they could always use comic story elements in the show but moved around or in different scenarios though.
Considering all the hype and excitement for the show you see elsewhere, is it just us geek/fanboy types who are unhappy with its direction? The show seems to be going strong and has a 5th season on order.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
It's mostly comic readers that don't enjoy the show. As for the show/comic, it can easily pick up at the Hunters arc or have ricks group move to Alexandria; the place they move after the prison.
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
I haven't read the comics and I don't like the show all that much either. I think it's missing some elements of a good show and other parts have gotten stale because of all the zombie movies and post-apocalyptic stories I've read. But you're right I don't think I dislike it as much as comic readers who have something to directly compare it to.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
I found season three repetitive, what's up with every chapter having a scene shooting zombies in the forehead with pinpoint accuracy?
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
They've all had lots of practice.
"After all, I am strangely colored."
Exactly, a lot of the show is repetitive, and killing zombies is no longer a cool, gross, or satisfying experience for the characters or the audience. It seems like a tedious chore. Like I said earlier, they need to do something to make the zombies scary again. Maybe a smarter zombie like in I am Legend can lead groups of zombies to hunt the survivors. Or maybe a shrieker that makes blood-curdling screams as it chases people.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
See, I disagree. A smart zombie is not a real zombie to me. A mutation would be acceptable, but hardly believable in the current situation. Generally, science is involved in any undead mutations, and there hasn't been any foreshadowing of such research/development. It's possible they could use something along the lines of, as time passes they become more accustomed to smelling/hearing/sensing a living being and thus are able to react to it's presence much faster... but something that makes blood-curdling screams would just be ridiculous right now.
I will agree that the show is being repetitive, though this mostly stems from the fact that it's much easier/cheaper to film in one central location (hence why most of season 2 was at the farmhouse). They will leave the prison eventually though... just have to be patient until then.
Lastly, don't forget that this series was not designed to be about the zombies. Yes, they are a major factor, but the whole idea is surviving after the zombie apocalypse. It was never about killing zombies to make it cool, gross, or satisfying. It was about doing what needed to be done to survive. This is why human interaction is so important to the story. This apocalypse set humanity back hundreds of years. How do the survivors handle living in a world like that? That's what the story is trying to tell. That's why it makes sense to hole up in as safe a place you can get for as long as possible with people you know and trust. And that's also why it makes it so easy to run across people like the Governor (who was much more violent in the novels, by the way). AMC will do what they need to do for entertainment/ratings... but if they continue to follow the true spirit of the novels, then we're not going to get Zombie Apocalypse part 2. There's already enough of that out there.
It's dangerous to go alone. Take Nep.
I agree with most of your points, but I'm also interested in entertainment value and that's where this show is lacking. We've seen enough survival in post apocalyptic world scenarios and they get stale after a bit. It's not unlike superheroes, where they are no longer the focus and instead their evil villain enemies take center stage... people the audience gets bored even at watching a man fly.
I don't think a show called "The Walking Dead" should focus so much on the survivors. Their actions and interactions will be pretty limited based on the threat they face, so to base the show on that limits the entertainment value. It would be like showing people living in a bomb shelter post nuclear war. That would get old for both survivors and viewers after about a month.
When you talk of Zombie Apocalypse 2, do you mean that they find a cure or a way to defeat the zombies? Or do you mean that they continue to live forever in this post apocalyptic world?
Last edited by Animeniax; Fri, 11-08-2013 at 09:12 AM.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Yet the tag of the series is "Fight the dead, fear the living."
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
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