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    I installed Win7 64-bit but I think I messed up and did an upgrade install instead of a clean install. It now sees all 6GB of RAM.

    For some reason the system seems to run slower with 64-bit than it did with 32-bit. Is this something I should worry about?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Animeniax View Post
    I installed Win7 64-bit but I think I messed up and did an upgrade install instead of a clean install. It now sees all 6GB of RAM.

    For some reason the system seems to run slower with 64-bit than it did with 32-bit. Is this something I should worry about?
    A few variables may contribute to that:

    1) file fragmentation
    2) "dirty" upgrade by microsoft
    3) Running 32bit software in emulation under a 64bit environment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian View Post
    A few variables may contribute to that:

    1) file fragmentation
    2) "dirty" upgrade by microsoft
    3) Running 32bit software in emulation under a 64bit environment.
    Well the 32-bit install was a clean install less than a week ago and so there won't be much fragmentation. I'm using a WD Raptor 150 (it's about 1.5 years old, but still runs great and at 10k RPM).

    What do you mean by "dirty upgrade"? I'm considering wiping it all out and starting from scratch with the 64-bit OS, but that will be another 2 hours I'd rather spend playing SC2.

    The system runs slower all the time, even for file access and Windows explorer.


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    clean the HDD then.

    I wonder why you need 2 hours, I remember the installations I did being a lot quicker.

    Maybe you could try installing from a usb drive, which is a lot quicker/quieter... the only catch is that you might need some time to learn how to do it

    I admitt I never had to install from the DVD, because I can't stand the slow speed and noises and Win7 allows for install from other means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David75 View Post
    clean the HDD then.

    I wonder why you need 2 hours, I remember the installations I did being a lot quicker.

    Maybe you could try installing from a usb drive, which is a lot quicker/quieter... the only catch is that you might need some time to learn how to do it

    I admitt I never had to install from the DVD, because I can't stand the slow speed and noises and Win7 allows for install from other means.
    Do you mean physically or logically? Because with the clean install of the 32-bit version, I wiped the partitions and created a new one and formatted the partition.

    2 hours from start to finish, including all updates, antivirus, utilities, configurations, Starcraft II, and Battlefield BC2.


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    From a clean HDD to first available desktop, I remember I needed around 20 minutes for an install from a usb HDD or uncompressed iso directly placed in the HDD. Yup I tried many things

    But yes, other software install can be slow.

    By clean, yup, partition/formating.

    I would even have win7 to recreate the partition table, because of partition alignment.
    I do not think it's possible your second install messed with that, because it means changing the partitions. If the install wasn't clean, I guess the main problem is thatthe registry is messed up. But hard to tell.

    I just hope these 2 hours will prove beneficial.

    Oh, I do not know about the budget, but you could see for a Vertex 2 or C300 SSD.
    It will not improve your gaming performances, but will clearly make a difference in the way your computer reacts and feels snapier. I will probably upgrade in september or october, since prices have fallen a little.

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    It seems to be running a little quicker now, though boot times are not impressive. I might go SSD for that, but I doubt it. I think it'd be better to get a new WD Raptor 150 since the previous one is already 1.5 years old and might be slowing down due to age.

    I might do a complete clean install this weekend to remove the possibility that the upgrade from 32-bit to 64-bit is causing problems.

    I'm not too far off the 20 minute mark from clean HDD to Windows desktop. I think I'm around 22-25 minutes but I haven't really kept track. I prefer to count from start to completed setup (including all drivers, restoring bookmarks in Firefox, updated antivirus, all Windows updates, and the game I'm currently playing) which comes to around 2 hours.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Animeniax View Post
    Well the 32-bit install was a clean install less than a week ago and so there won't be much fragmentation. I'm using a WD Raptor 150 (it's about 1.5 years old, but still runs great and at 10k RPM).

    What do you mean by "dirty upgrade"? I'm considering wiping it all out and starting from scratch with the 64-bit OS, but that will be another 2 hours I'd rather spend playing SC2.

    The system runs slower all the time, even for file access and Windows explorer.
    "Dirty" as in windows left stuff behind or otherwise didn't upgrade properly.

    As for boot times, I've always been using sleep mode nowadays, so it hardly matters to me.
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    I normally use sleep mode too... but the system refused to wake up from sleep today. Hopefully it doesn't happen often. Sleep mode worked ok a few times yesterday after I finished installing everything.


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    I have a 3 year old laptop that came with Vista32 and had al sorts of problems. Then I installed Win7 x64 and all problems were gone, except for a couple of compatibility issues, IF I were to run certain programs x64 mode (i.e. for example IE8 x64 - Adobe flash player). Most programs you use in Win7 x64 are still x86 (WMP, IE8, Office 2007, uTorrent etc.), except for essential system processes. So everything stays the same plus more RAM becomes available. Now hardware is a different story... Not all hardware is compatible with Vista/Win7. Or so it was a good while back. My 2 cents..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Killa-Eyez View Post
    I have a 3 year old laptop that came with Vista32 and had al sorts of problems. Then I installed Win7 x64 and all problems were gone, except for a couple of compatibility issues, IF I were to run certain programs x64 mode (i.e. for example IE8 x64 - Adobe flash player). Most programs you use in Win7 x64 are still x86 (WMP, IE8, Office 2007, uTorrent etc.), except for essential system processes. So everything stays the same plus more RAM becomes available. Now hardware is a different story... Not all hardware is compatible with Vista/Win7. Or so it was a good while back. My 2 cents..
    My wireless PCI card that was "meant" to work with W7 (32 AND 64bit) didn't.

    I've managed to find a wired work-around at the moment. Again, I have no idea if it's a 32/64 thing, or an XP/Vista/W7 thing.

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