Game: Demon's Souls

[animus]

Demon's Souls is probably my favorite game this gen, easily.

[darkshadow]

Demon's Souls is probably my favorite game this gen, easily.

Picked up the black phantom edition yesterday, and played it for 3.5 hours straight. I must say that it's a pretty terrific game.

[darkshadow]

Question for the demon's souls players in here. Do I need the special souls for something later in the game? Like the Lead/Iron/Flame demon soul.

Or should I just cash them in? >_>

[animus]

They're used so you can learn some spells/miracles, etc.

[darkshadow]

They're used so you can learn some spells/miracles, etc.

Don't EVER cash them.

You need most of this Souls to buy Magic, Miracles or to upgrade your weapons into special versions of them.

The thing here is, though, that you need to finish he full game 4 times if you want the Platinum Trophy. Im still working on that. I've already acquiered all Magic. I need about 3 more miracles and a few weapons... which means I need 2 more games.

I guess you can cash them then, but it ain't worth it.

Im level 159 btw.

Ok, I was holding on to them cause I saw that enemies you get them from don't respawn. But on the other hand I was also thinking they might've been worth a lot of souls, Though I guess I could just farm the red eyed knight in 1-1 for that.

Great fucking game though, lvl 29 so far.

[darkshadow]

If you want cheap souls go to 4-2 and just kill the reaper over and over - its faster to commit suicide than to use spell to go back to nexus.
and you can get platinium in 3 playthrougs - you can purify dragon god soul and then utilize it to learn the spell in one playthrough.

I'm not strong enough yet to venture into 4-2 yet, I killed the silver skeleton's and black skeleton in 4-1 to get the crescent falchion +1, but I did so in a very cheap ( and looong) way.
I'll keep 4-2 in mind though when I can finally clear it normally.

Also doesn't a suicide, or just dying in general mean your world/character tendencies get fucked? >_>

[animus]

Dying in soul form doesn't affect your World/Character Tendency, just in corporeal form.

[RyougaZell]

I'm not strong enough yet to venture into 4-2 yet, I killed the silver skeleton's and black skeleton in 4-1 to get the crescent falchion +1, but I did so in a very cheap ( and looong) way.
I'll keep 4-2 in mind though when I can finally clear it normally.

Also doesn't a suicide, or just dying in general mean your world/character tendencies get fucked? >_>

World Tendencies are affected if you die only in corporeal form, as Animus pointed out. This shifts it to Black Tendency. Another way to shift towards Black is to kill an NPC character during gameplay (that means... it doesn't shift Tendency if you kill them on the Nexus). A suicide, on corporeal form, while on the Nexus, doesn't affect your World Tendency.

Shifting towards White is archived through killing Bosses, Important Black Phantoms and some special enemies that only appear on Pure Black.

While Pure White makes the enemies easier and Pure Black makes them harder... the highlight of both Pure Tendencies are the special events that can only happen during them, whereas its a mission, a black phantom or a weapon. You need to do both in order to get several unique things.

Now, Character Tendency is a complete different matter. The only way to change Character Tendency is through invading or aiding another player. I don't really remember any use for White Character Tendency, but Black Character Tendency triggers a sidequest (which I screwed and need to do it again on New Game Plus).

I tried to not spoil anything here, I tried only to point out how the Tendencies work. Though... Demon Soul's is a game that practically forces you to use a guide sometimes. Its just that awesome, scary and hard.

BTW... Red Eye Knight is weak against fire, so I suggest getting a fire spell as soon as you can. It can make it easier to farm him. If I remember correctly he gives you 2,000 souls per kill. Those were good times... now I need over 200,000 souls per level... I think...

I lost 1million and a half souls the other day.... <_<

[darkshadow]

200k, wow that's pretty impressive ;P.
Thanks for the explanation on tendencies, was kinda confused on how they worked.

And yeah, even though I've got a pretty hard hitting knight, I've played enough rpg's to know that it's good to have at least some magic.

So I used cloak+fire method kill him the first time, but I actually think I might be able to take him on 1 on 1 ( though his spear scares me somewhat).

I'm able to kill any blue eyed in 2 hits and they actually stagger when they hit my steel shield ( which results in the 2 hits kill), so how would I fare against the red eyed without magic?
Cause I remember meeting him for the first time and he just destroyed me in one hit >_>.

[RyougaZell]

To be honest... even at my level I try to defeat those things from a distance. Whenever I try to fight those things 1 on 1, they break my defense in just two hits, which has me running away to replenish stamina.

I started as a thief, so my defense wasn't that great, but I had good speed. Currently all my stats (except miracle or whatever it was called) are about equally at 30, since I wanted magic and speed... but didn't want to remain low on strenght for the lowly enemies.

Lately I tend to use lots of arrows and death cloud... So I guess you could say my chara is a Magic Archer or something... the New Game Plus are just plain scary. A fucking Dreadling killed me on New Game Plus <___<

Anyway... best way to confront the Red Eye Knight 1 on 1 would be to approach it, in order to lure it to strike, walk backwards (while keeping the Lock Sight on) so its strike misses you, then press forward and attack. I don't recommed trying to stop its attacks with the shield... he probably is strong enough to break your defense and stagger you to doom. He's the strongest enemy on normal 1-1 for something.

[Xelbair]

Darkshadow - after you finish off boss in 4-1(you can do 4-1, with difficulties, after you kill tower knight) you can get one of best melee weapons ever - Meat Cleaver(Str S, Dex S Faith A - if you are playing melee fighter with some faith(15 minimum, if i remember correctly) it is the best weapon). I really suggest you do it asap.
Good trick onto those skeletons is either counter with shield, or when they are stunned from block, smack them with claymore or other heavy hitting weapon.

To get the Meat Cleaver you need to kill Flamelurker in 2-2, and give its soul to dwarf in 2-1(get a strong bow and a lot of arrows if you wanna do it cheaply - trying to melee that bastard is hard) - magic is not necessary.

Do not say anything good about ac2 before you see the ending Animeniax - you will see why...

[darkshadow]

I just managed to kill the flamelurker, and I did it with MELEE :O.
I had help though, summoned a phantom who assisted me with soul arrows.

But yeah I just ran up to it's face and started hacking away ;P. I had a ring of flame resistance on and the purple flame shield, so it's flame attacks did NOTHING haha . But yeah I had to rescue my phantom a couple of times, cause he probably didn't have the fortunate equipment I have.

I'll try to get the meat cleaver now then >_>, btw that dude, "patches", the one that tries to set you up by grabbing the loot, can I savely kill him :3?

[RyougaZell]

I'll try to get the meat cleaver now then >_>, btw that dude, "patches", the one that tries to set you up by grabbing the loot, can I savely kill him :3?

Don't. He's the only source for Heavy Arrows.
And if you must kill him... get the Black Character Tendency to start the NPC killing sidequest.

[Xelbair]

Try to solo flamelurker next time.. and i hope that you knew the shortcut to him and did not walk through the tunnels.
After you get the meat cleaver it will make your live easier.
and Dragon God is pretty easy, get fast weapon or pure white in 2(to get dragon bone smasher if i remember its name correctly) - it will be a breeze with fast weapon(but get some heavy-hitter for later part of the fight)

[darkshadow]

Shortcut.....>_>?

And I think I would fare pretty well solo against the flamelurker, since his fireattacks hardly damaged, my summon just allowed me to be a bit more reckless.
The dragon god, is that the giant ass dragon behind the next fog door after the flamelurker?

Cause I saw that shit and was like HELL NO lol ;P.

[RyougaZell]

Shortcut.....>_>?

And I think I would fare pretty well solo against the flamelurker, since his fireattacks hardly damaged, my summon just allowed me to be a bit more reckless.
The dragon god, is that the giant ass dragon behind the next fog door after the flamelurker?

Cause I saw that shit and was like HELL NO lol ;P.

Almost immediately after starting the level you can reach the bottom just by jumping. This shortcut is needed to get a Crystal Lizard and an NPC character on Pure White or a Black Phantom on Pure Black.

Dragon God is quite easy. The easiest of the 'Big Demons'

[darkshadow]

Killed the dragon god, he was indeed really easy, though how do I get the sword that is stuck up top? Didn't see a way to get to it yet.

Also managed to get the meat cleaver, have to say that it's really awesome , I can take on the red eyed knight with sword pretty easily now.
Though I almost got to the boss after the tower knight, but when I got to the steps I saw like 1 official and 3 spear red eyed knights :O, are these as strong as the one in 1-1? Cause that could pose a serious problem then >_>.

[RyougaZell]

The sword on the Dragon God level (forgot its name) can only be acquired when you achieve Pure White Tendency on that world.

Yes. The red eye knights are as strong... or even more. I actually didn't try to pass world 1-3 until I finished all the other complete worlds. And even then they were though.

Did you kill the Red Dragon on 1-2 yet? I guess you must have, since you have the Flame Shield (or whatever its name was).

[darkshadow]

Ugh, guess I'll stay away from the red eyes for a while longer then.

Yeah I killed the red dragon a little while back, just cheaped him with arrows when he flies over the bridge/towers and breathes fire.....took me like 100 arrows though >_>.

I couldn't get to the final item in the dragon's roost yet though, the blue dragon keeps knocking me down if I get too close...when do I get to kill it?

[RyougaZell]

You didn't cheap out the red dragon. That is the only way to kill him.

The Blue Dragon is a boss battle on 1-5.

There is another way for you to get the items though... but it requieres Pure White on the 1st World.